hyde had named calway as the person who provided the surveillance information on yovanovitch.surveilling the ambassador and that it was all quite, quote, ridiculous banter. meanwhile, hyde is speaking out as well in an interview with the hartford current. >> i didn't think anything was real. who would be surveilling a u.s. ambassador, like who could do that. like you can't do that. i'm a landscaper. i got into the politic games in d.c. on a national level, i never imagined you'd like be as jokers that you'd meet at fundraisers that, you know, legit people were like rob, pull me aside. stay away from these people. i never thought like anything they were saying was real. just i thought it was all joking [ bleep ]. >> joining me now is the capital bureau chief for the hartford current. he joins me by phone. let me ask you sort of what you got out of this interview. there were things he would talk about. things he would not. what's robert hyde saying about the role he played in all of this? >> that is true. i mean, all those text messages were there, but he's basically saying esse