what has it been like in camden?much for your time today. we appreciate it. we're continuing to watch the burial procession for george floyd. he's about to be laid to rest in houston, texas, in the wake of floyd being killed by a minneapolis police officer. more videos are now emerging showing other deadly police encounters. in austin, texas, and las cruces, new mexico, a black man was shot and killed. a warning, what you will see and hear may be disturbing. [ gunshots firing ] >> reporter: it is all too horribly familiar. stop resissing. even the dying words of the victims sound the same. but if you think you know these cases, you probably don't. austin, texas, police say ambler had not dimmed his headlights and that he led them on a 22-minute chase when they tried to pull him over. body camera footage shows what happens next. he exited his car with his hands up. he was not intoxicated or armed according to the incident report. officers say ambler resisted police attempts to restrain him and refused their commands.

i want to place camden, new jersey. you were part of a project in camden where the police department was scrapped and rebuilt from the ground up. this is the politico story about the city that did abolish the police. it was one of the most dangerous cities in america. 40% of the population was below the poverty line. what happened that you want to talk about? opportunity noan one else in the country has had. other talk about how cities can get to this same place. the governor decided the thing to do was just a ball us -- abolish the police force in camden. they started from scratch. they had the good fortune to choose my friend scott thompson as the chief. good person.y he understood what you need to do is not enforce your way out of difficult situations, but build the community. we worked on a number of things, a youth program in schools, we had body cameras, we were one of the first jurisdictions that set policy. we didt important thing was help establish a use of force policy. this is the model that the world needs t

were able to develop a camden county police department, under the direction of lou cappelli.s important to highlight is that we engaged the community throughout the entire process. we communicated with them from the very beginning. listening to their concerns, their ideas abdom s and in part the type of community policing that they wanted to see in the city of camden. >> reporter: and, lou, you were charged with helping to implement this, and i understand you went directly to the community for input and urged officers to get out and meet their community, changing completely how policing was done. how did that work? >> well, you know, going back quickly to what dana said, we asked members of the community what they were looking for in police officers. we took some of the characteristics and made it part of the job description for our potential police officers. then they were trained in de-escalation and they were trained in community relations. and the thirst first thing they do, the very first day they hit the streets in camden, they knock on the doors in the neighborhoods th

what would you say it should be from camden?ah, we're very proud of our police department and of our residents. they just have been spectacular through this process. and of the number one word of advice i would give is gain the trust of your residents. >> police in camden are now trained to use their guns as a last resort. >>> coming up, the americans who still can't get a haircut. >>> but first was the million dollar treasure found in the rockies all a hoax? the new claim. these are real people, not actors, who've got their eczema under control. with less eczema you can show more skin. so roll up those sleeves. and help heal your skin from within with dupixent. dupixent is the first treatment of its kind that continuously treats moderate-to-severe eczema, or atopic dermatitis, even between flare ups. dupixent is a biologic and not a cream or steroid. many people taking dupixent saw clear or almost clear skin. and had significantly less itch. don't use if you're allergic to dupixent. serious allergic reactions can occur, includi

al jazeera, camden, new jersey.hor: a statue of britain's wartime prime minister winston churchill is boarded up ahead of antiracism protests. the country's prime minister says the marches have been hijacked by extremists after monuments were attacked. it has opened up a debate about who still deserves to be remembered and how. reporter: a reflection of a wider debate raging in britain. black lives matter supporters arguing with opponents by the statue of winston churchill. it was boarded up because of fears it could be targeted by protesters. the prime minister called a meeting to print desperate deked monuments. -- called to protect monuments. >> what happened with these demonstrations is that a tiny minority, a growing minority have hijacked them. pretext using them as a to attack the police, to cause violence, to cause damage to private property. my message to everybody is that, for all sorts of reasons, they should not go to these demonstrations. reporter: last weekend, demonstrators in bristol pulled down a st

nada tawfik, bbc news, camden, newjersey.down. new figures from the disabled children's partnership suggest that in 76% of cases, disabled children and their families have been surviving since march without any of their normal care and support. ellie costello reports. this is spike. at nine days old, he had a heart attack and a stroke. he suffered severe brain damage. he has cerebral palsy, is epileptic and is deaf, so has very limited communication. since the start of lockdown, spike's mum has cared for him alone. she is just one of the many parents in the uk in this difficult position. the disabled children's partnership has surveyed more than 4000 parents of kids with complex needs. more than three quarters of those families say that all care and support has been withdrawn since lockdown began. the majority of these parents report worsening mental and physical health of not only themselves but their children. we've kind of had to just wing it and make it up as we're going along, really. i received this letter saying that h

a lot has changed in camden new jersey since muhammad 1st bought his business here 15 years ago 2012 the city had the highest murder rate in the country and a police department with a troubled reputation mohammad credits the creation of an entirely new county police force for making his street safer doing their share. is chris. baker now bringing down the bodies that is was he being the head of the new camden county police department points to this incident with a knife wielding man caught on video as evidence doing away with the old department was a good move they say this kind of disciplined nonviolent response has led to a sharp reduction not only in crime but also in brutality complaints officers including sergeant rafael thornton had to reapply for their jobs with the new department say the biggest thing that allow. people such as myself who are the minority to be the majority. and change the culture camden chief actually joined demonstrators recently who are protesting the police killing of george floyd violent crime has gone down dramatically here in camden since the county to

killing of george floyd violent crime has gone down dramatically here in camden since the county took over the local police department but they've also nearly doubled the number of officers on the street and some local activists think that is exactly the wrong approach i n d merrill believes there would be even less crime in camden if there were more opportunities he's with a local group that supports what's become a national movement to cut funding for police if you look at the communities that the police are occupying people's lives getting better are you improving the overall quality of these people's lives the people feel safer they don't and the relationship is just as sure as the previous administration more accountability and local control of camden police not disbanding them altogether is what he's calling for and he hopes the growing reform movement will get more people to listen christian salumi al-jazeera camden new jersey canada's prime minister says police video of the violent arrest of a prominent indigenous chief is shocking and raises questions about the use of force b

k57 in camden? is happening because of what happened to george floyd and the long systemic, you know, police brutality. this is why, you know, people are behaving the way that they are. >> chief, a question for you. what does community policing look like in camden and how do you think that allowed you to divert a violent outcome like we've seen play out across the country? >> after the protest march on saturday we had different locations in the city. we were doing pop-up barbecues. so we brought out like portable basketball nets. we brought out mr. softee, which is a soft serve ice cream truck. we want people to get to see us other than calling 911 in an emergency situation. we want people to see us and to get to know who the officer is and get to know the officers and us to get to know the residents. community policing, it's not a check box for us. this is something that we do every day. >> so it sounds like you did a lot of the hard work before that viral moment a couple days ago. yolanda, what co

that is essentially what camden, new jersey did more than seven years ago.y still have a police force, but we'll explain how. camden scrapped its police force and started from scratch, they saw a dramatic drop in crime as a result. gary tuchman is back with a look at whether this is a situation other cities can replicate. >> did you disband the camden police department? >> yes, so in -- at the end of 2012, into early 2013, every member of the camden city police department was fired, including myself and a new police force called the camden county police force was created and staffed. >> scott thompson is the recently retired police chief. his disbanded city police force meant no more police union and the ability to make work directives, the union is now back. but the work directives remain innovative. like this. serving bbq or ice cream as a regular feature of the policing that is done in camden. with 4400 cops, they're getting to nose those they are policing. violent crime is way down since a high point in 2012 when the city police department was disbanded.

here's cnn's gary tuchman. >> did you disband the camden police department? at the end of 2012 into early 2013, every member of the police department was fired, including myself, and a new police force called the camden county police force was created and it was staffed. >> scott thompson is the recently retired police chief. his disbanded city police force meant no more police union and the ability to make new work directives. the union is now back but the work directives and new traditions remain innovative like this. serving barbecue or ice cream is a regular feature of the community oriented policing that is done in camden. >> give me a high five, man. >> with the nearly 400 cops in a city of 77,000, are expected to walk the streets and personally get to know those they are policing. crime is still a problem here, but violent crime is way down since a high point in 2012 when the city police department was disbanded. homicides down by about 63% as of last year and the department says excessive force complaints against police are down 95%, all amid this dir

since then, crime has dropped 42% in camden. and so what is the secret sauce?he community is the secret sauce. you have to build relationships with the community. they have to get to know you when it is not an emergency situation. they need to know our officers, but at the same time, if you look at the economic development that is occurring here in camden, the unemployment rate has dropped before the virus struck. there is so many positive things that are going on in the camden -- in so many groups doing so many positive things. it is -- it is almost like we have a secret sauce here in what is going on. i'm very proud of our officers and the community. the community is key. the community chose not to have a violent protest and the community wants a safer place and that's the key ingredient what the community wants. >> whatever your formula is, you should bottle it and sell it because obviously right now people are so looking for role models and camden is at the moment really leading the way in that way. so chief wysocki, thank you for sharing your experience an

here is cnn's gary tuchman in camden, new jersey. >> reporter: did you disband the camden police department? >> yeah, and so at the end of 2012, in the early 2013, every member of the camden city police department was fired, including myself, and a new police force called the camden county police force was created and it was staffed. >> reporter: scott thompson is the recently retired police chief. his disbanded city police force meant no more police union, and the ability it make new work directives. the union is now back. but the work directives, new traditions, remain innovative, like this. serving barbecue, ice cream as a regular feature of the community oriented policing that is done here in camden. >> high five, man. >> reporter: with the nearly 400 cops in the city of roughly 77,000 are expected to walk the streets and personally get to know those they are policing. >> future recruit right there. >> reporter: crime still is a problem here, but violent crime is way down since the high point of 2012 when the city police department was disbanded. homicides down by 63% as of last year. a

i was glad to see my vanilla brother talk about that in camden because i've been to camden.'ve been to the high schools there. i know brother keith benson, who's my dear brother, actually used to play drums with teddy pendergrass, but he's an activist as well. they have been able to turn things around. why? because when you respect people and when you respect black people who have been so disrespected, when you protect people, protect black people who have been so deeply unprotected, then the possibilities of the community coming together with the policing agents who are part of that community, but you got to hit poverty. you got to hit jobs. you got to hit health care. you've got to hit education. they all go hand in hand. that's what the black lives matter movement understands. i love people, black people. of course as a christian, i love everybody, but i start on the chocolate side of town. >> one of my other favorite contemporary philosophers samuel l. jackson said tonight on another network while talking to a guy who looks suspiciously like anderson cooper, this is how

is a police officer in camden. when he goes into the rougher neighborhoods, they know jimmy. that does make a difference, to your point. >> yes, this committee is an interesting experience. i learned a lot. what percentage of the police force was minority before? >> i don't have the numbers before. after it was 50%? >> the concern was most people came from neighboring communities. >> that is as important as the racial makeup of the police force. >> studies about diversity and law enforcement, it matters deeply for trust, but studies show that diversity does not impact use of force rates and misconduct in the way one would anticipate. >> that is what i am learning from this hearing. senator whitehouse? >> i want to take a moment on one section, the primary vehicle for assessing liability for police misconduct. as you also know, the primary defense against that liability the defense of qualified immunity which is a subject that the booker-harris legislation. it limits liability, narrows the window of conduct for whic

joining me now is former camden police chief scott thompson. scott, thank you very much for joining us. how did it work? >> so, in 2012, every member of the camden city police department including myself was fired. i was a police chief pore 20 years, i had been a police officer for 20 years, police chief for five. myself and everyone else had to fill out a 50-page application, take a psychological, take a mental -- the physical conditioning, interview, the whole nine yards. we were all new employees. the opportunity that that really provided for us was the ability to build culture as opposed to changing it. so in the previous organization, we had very high levels of mistrust with the community. we were in a public safety crisis, our crime rates were greater than that of third world countries. and we had a labor organization that every time we tried to institute a change for the positive, it would be litigated, stalled, and if it didn't have a pay raise attached to it for the cops, then it essentially could not come to fruition. so all of this c

in 2012, camden disbanded its police department, dissolved it. why? >> we dissolved it because there was a fiscal crisis and there was a public safety crisis. the recession destroyed the financing of the state of new jersey and the city of camden and at the same time, you had a crime rate that was ranked number one in the nation. you had 67 murders in 2012. so change was needed. >> and just to people know, when we say, you dissolved the police department. people are saying, oh, if you dismantle or defund police, it's going to mean anarchy, it's going to mean, there's no law enforcement. the next people, did people wake up and there were no law enforcement or public safety officers on the street? >> not the case at all. for two years, we worked together with governor christie and our mayor, dana ray, to come up with a plan to develop a county police department that took the place of the city police department. and we were told all along, this will never work, it will never happen. the unions will fight you. but with the support from the governor on dow

here's cnn's gary tuchman. >> reporter: did you disband the camden police department?> yeah, so at the end of 2012, into early 2013, every member of the camden city police department was fired, including myself, and a new police force, called the camden county police force was created and staffed. >> reporter: scott thompson is the recently-retired police chief. his disbanded police force meant no more police union and the ability to make work directives. the union is now back, but the work directives remain innovative. serving barbecue or ice cream is a regular feature of the community-oriented policing done here in camden. >> can i get a high-five? >> reporter: with the nearly 400 cops in the city of roughly 77,000 are expected to walk the streets and personally get to know those they are policing. crime is still a problem here, but violent crime is way down since a high point in 2012 when the city police department was disbanded. homicide's down by about 63% as of last year. and the department says excessive force complaints against police are down 95%. all amid thi

another notable froiprinciple t abide by if you're a camden county police officer.low officer if a fellow cop violates any of these directives. >> we have to do this. that officer is doing>>> in one would hurt someone and they were being peaceful, you would report them? >> i would probably take the badge off of his chest at that moment. >> reporter: and you'd do the same thing to him. >> absolutely. i expect nothing less. >> reporter: this reimagined police force gets a lot of attention here. >> you've heard what's going on around the country with cops, do you think your cops here are different? >> yes. they're very different. they treat us nice, polite. >> reporter: there is criticism, though, that the police force doesn't have enough minority officers, isn't transparent enough and may not be responsible for the crime drought. >> crime statistics have been going down throughout the state of new jersey and has been going down within the nation. so i would not credit that with the policing programs that have or supposed to be taking place right now. >> reporter: the

camden police were taught de-escalation techniques.se techniques work to ensure that deadly force is only used in the utmost significant circumstance. so we have had issues here in the city where we have had knife-wielding individuals with mental health issues lunging at police, but police were able to de-escalate the situation so that that person's life was saved. if you don't believe in the humanity of black men and black individuals, i am not even sure what type of police reform can happen. this is systemic oppression. these are hundreds of years of violence that have been perpetrated on black men. so until we change this country and -- through that, changing police policies will help. but they will not rectify how police officers view black men when they see them. >> that really is the key. there are plenty of cops that are doing de-escalation. it just so happens when they see a white suspect as opposed to a black suspect. dylann roof, as i mentioned, who shot up that church in charleston was given water and walked out fine into ja

since the police reforms camden has seen a 42 percent drop in crime compared to just 2 percent in the rest of the country there are now twice as many police officers here was before that training includes nonviolent conflict resolution. perhaps not being in their cars or just riding through people but actually walking is a benefit it improves your image and has a potential to improve relationships between 2 individuals one as a resident and i want to be a police officer the united states former crime hotspot offers a role model for the rest of the country's often outdated frequently violent police forces. 17 years ago today communist north korea invaded the u.s. backed south starting the korean war 3 years of fighting ended 953. not with a peace treaty but truce maybe technically the war is still. between the 2 neighbors continued to this day the latest tensions were sparked when i'm seeing north activists in the south launched by loons carrying propaganda leaflets over the border urging north koreans to overthrow their leadership so as you'll see the next report on the most is betwee

so right now, we maybe have one big example of disbanding and that was in 2013 in camden, new jersey, where the entire police department was shut down. everyone was fired, all the officers, even the chief, and then the city decided to reconstitute the police department, so people had to apply to become police officers again in camden, but there was an entirely new approach, and the approach was to have community policing and what they meant by that is officers out of their cars, walking in communities, getting to know people, and just, there was a dramatic change in camden. one example, before this, there was 16% solve rate for murders in camden, and then once this change happened, where it was disbanded and p iutn a different fashion, the solve rate jumped to 61% and that's just one of the things. so that's one example: another might be to say, just completely change the model. so we don't have officers with weapons for patrolling all the streets. maybe there are community people deputized to deal with non-violent kind of things. i don't know because this is a very new thing but that

since the police reforms camden has seen a 40 percent drop in crime compared to just 2 percent in the rest of the country there are now twice as many police officers here is a full that training includes nonviolent conflict resolution. perhaps not being in their cars or just riding through and just arresting people but actually getting in their core walking around is a benefit it improves their image and has the potential to improve relationships between 2 individuals one as a resident and the other one that happens to be a police officer in the united states for my crime hotspot off as a role model for the rest of the country's often outdated frequently violent police forces. now some financial news from riding high to rock bottom in the space of a week former darling of the german fin tech industry wire card his pile for insolvency just days after a 1900000000 euro hole in its finances was made public officers say they found evidence of a leverage prod at the company involving multiple parties around the world. it was a historic day at the frankfurt stock exchange and not for the mo

camden, new jersey. thanks very much. >>> i want to hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." >> thank you very much. hi, i am chris cuomo and welcome to "prime time." tonight, one of the three officers charged with aiding and abetting the alleged murder of george floyd has made bail. he is now out of jail. he is former officer thomas lane. his lawyer was on this program monday night, popped some eyeballs, punting blame to bystanders for not stepping in to save george floyd. >> if all these people say why didn't my client intercede, well if the public is there and they're in an uproar about this, they didn't intercede either. and my client's down where he can't really see. >> hold on, hold on. counselor, there's a duty to intervene. and if an officer is doing something that's dangerous to a civilian, you have a duty to intervene. he did not intervene. just to be very clear here, civilians did come, okay? they called on police to stop hurting floyd. officers actually pushed one of them away. but be ve

big criminal running down the bodies that are supposed to be very helpful the new camden county police department points to this incident with a knife wielding man caught on video as evidence doing away with the old department was a good move they say this kind of disciplined nonviolent response has led to a sharp reduction out only a crime but also in ality complaints officers including sergeant rafael thornton had to reapply for their jobs with the new department would say the biggest thing that allow people such as myself who are the minority to be the majority. it changed the culture camden chiefs actually joined demonstrators recently who are protesting the police killing of george floyd violent crime has gone down dramatically here in camden since the county took over the local police department but they've also nearly doubled the number of officers on the streets and some local activists think that is exactly the wrong approach i ended merrill believes there would be even less crime in camden if there were more opportunities he's with a local group that supports what's become a

still closed getting away from highway 85 and heading down to camd camden. the map shows you the closure and shows you your alternate to get around the scene. a smooth flow of traffic would take you around the area. i do want to show you the alternate. that is a good way to get around. a little build, a wind advisory. >>> an all new twist. next on "today in the bay," the new investigation the fbi is launching into the death of these two black men in southern california. plus, trouble in paradise for one group of travelers, the quarantine rules they're accused of breaking in hawaii and the deal >>> state and fbi agents are investigating the recent deaths of these two black men in southern california. earlier this month the bodies of robert fuller and malcolm harsh were found hanging from trees in two public places ten days and 50 miles apart, one in l.a. county andardino county. originally the sheriff's office ruled fuller's death a suicide but outrage forcing investigators to take a second look at both cases. >>> the lapd now says it spent more than $40 mill

camden police officers encounter a knife-wielding man. for multiple blox, they walk along with the man until he drops the knife and he's arrested. it comes not just from the police but from the community's input as well. >> we've reduced aggressive reports by 95%. >> reporter: he still sigees mo changes that could be made. >> i would like to see higher levels of diversity. >> reporter: his of of of of teach deescalation. >> ultimate objective is that everybody goes home at the end of the shift, not just one party. >> reporter: in 2019, "nightline" headed here, the maryland eastern shore to see a program that helps law enforcement officers better control stress in tense situations. it's called close quarters defense. once mostly reserved for u.s. special operations in federal agencies. >> they have no idea what they're going into, which is valuable, because we want them to do exactly what they would do on the street. >> reporter: dwayne deeter is the site's guru and exnert tactical training. in this day, a group of sheriff's officers and d

we now have $2.5 billion of new investment in camden city.ve thousands of jobs, new jobs being created. before covid-19, the unemployment rate in camden city was the lowest it's been in decades. the graduation rates from high school were the highest they've been in decades. and the crime rate, the lowest that it's been in decades. so we're trending in the right direction in all aspects. it all started with community policing and public safety. >> pretty extraordinary. lou, thank you so much for joining us today. i've got a feeling you'll be making quite a few road trips to see some other cities in the next few months. >>> up next, states are raising the alarm over rising cases of coronavirus in their states. but could the numbers actually be worse than what we're being told? before we get to that, no transparency. you know we talk oversight here every day. well, here's the latest. the trump administration does not plan to release details about who got more than $500 billion in bailout money through the paycheck protection program. treasury se

we had talked earlier after you led camden through a complete rebuilding process. you had everybody disbanded, including yourself, and then rebuilt the police department in camden from the ground up. and in fact brought down the violence levels. tell us how you managed to do that. >> andrea, in 2012, it was arguably one of the largest hours in terms of our city in terms of crime, poverty, the failures of the education system, event organization which i came up in was one that had grown to be apathetic, lethargic. the political decision was made to disband the police department and create a new one, create a county police force, one that would give us the ability to build culture as opposed to trying to overcome the resistance of change in culture. and we really focused on three bedrock principles. every new member of this organization were going to be guardians and not warriors. we were going to engage in enhanced community empowerment. and that de-escalation was going to be engrained in the culture of our organization. we wanted our officers to -- we've demanded o

but as other cities boil over in anger, camden staying cool under immense pressure. >> you can have achief, let's go. let's do it. i asked him, did he want to hold the banner with me, and he said yes. >> i knew when she smiled the way she did, we were in for a good day. >> you know, guys, what's so fascinating about this story is the way that they were together able to change the conversation. they were actually able to show us what communities can do when they focus on what brings them together instead of what rips them apart at the end of the day both the organizers and police chief said we're all human. hoda, savannah. >> lots to learn there we need to look hard at them and they have worked hard for it thank you for bringing us the story. we appreciate it. >> still ahead, guys, we have another story of hope. the families of the school impacted by the protest in minneapolis overwhelmed by the kindness of strangers. we are going to talk about that touching gesture with its principal. carson taking a closer look at a powerful blackout tuesday yesterday, the movement on social media an

camden county police chief joe wysoki now. chief, did the show of solidarity you had there prevent rioting we've seen elsewhere? >> i can't say it did, i can't say it didn't but i can say the tensions are very high. i think across the country but i can really only focus here on the city of camden. people are upset what they're seeing in minnesota. actions of bad police officers in another jurisdiction that we have seen with george floyd. the, are felt by every cop in all parts of the country. so people are upset and they're upset at the uniform but, i think, i asked my officers if they escalate situations on a daily basis, this was my turn to try to de-escalate the situation. i think we were able to lower tensions a little bit. we're together. we're one community. it is not us versus the community. it is, we're part of the community. have you seen any of the outside agitators that the mayor of new york city, for example, was talking about yesterday or mayor of minneapolis was talking about? >> we, we haven't seen that here in

compton did it in 2000, and camden did it in 2013, i believe. i wonder if you and your colleagues are thinking about those previous examples as, as helpful? as examples of what to do or not to do? or if you have been essentially considering minneapolis to be on its own here in terms of the specific challenges? >> no, absolutely. there are many models around the country and there's also significant work done here led by community to invest in those systems of community safety that, just work to look at all the reasons folks call 9-1-1 in our city and what appropriate response we can pair. but public confidence in our department as, is at an extraordinary low. we have institutions like the university of minnesota, and our park board and school board, major businesses and employers, arts institutions, ending their relationship with our police department. so, in the urgent short-term, you know, we need to get a system in place that is keeping people safe that folks have confidence in, as we build up these alternative systems for community safety. >>

crowds celebrating memorial day, there has not been an increase in new virus kcb cases in surrounding camden county. >> the number one county has not seen any more contacts and that's now been a good a while ago, ten days, 11 days. >> the country's top infectious disease doctor says now is the time to consider reopening schools in the fall and here in new york city despite the protests and the curfew mayor bill de blasio says new york city is on target to begin

what happened in camden since then?years since we implemented those changes, the murder rate in camden which at the time in 2012 was the most even more important than that, george, citizen complaints of excessive use of force by police are down 95% in the last seven years. and so this can be done. it's a false choice to say that we can't have effective law enforcement without the violence that we're seeing that's going on in so many of our places across the country. camden, new jersey, which is a 96% minority city, we worked together, we brought down the murder rate by 81% and brought down excessive use of force by 95%. i think yvette is absolutely right. it's time to stop talking and start doing. it was done in camden and other places around this country. >> rahm, you have had to deal with this in both the white house, during the 1994 crime bill and, of course as mayor in the city of chicago which has had so many controversy. >> two points, first and foremost, you have to all on us with the protesters have showed is th

a potential model, camden, new jersey. >> you see businesses moving to camden. seeing hotels come back. >> reporter: once claiming the title of the most dangerous city in america, camden disbanded its police force in 2013. the new county police focuses on community building and changed its guidelines for the use of excessive force. violent crime is down by 42%, murders cut in half. excessive force complaints down almost 95%. >> community policing, it's a no brainer. we are here to serve the citizens of camden. we have to work together. >> reporter: de-funding, which doesn't go as far, has gained traction. major cities like new york and los angeles have already started to shift away from police into programs like mental health and social services, proponents say that will eliminate the need for so many armed, uniformed officers. opponents argue it's an assault on the very officers who are trying to protect their communities. >> everybody is trying to shame us. >> reporter: in washington, democrats unveiled a broad police reform bill this past week, while joe bide