cameron ford is from insulate britain.y you a clip you might have already heard of him on talk radio with mike graham from last year. what you do for living, cameron? i'm a carpenter. carpenter, right. so how safe is that for the climate? well, i work with timber, which is a much more sustainable material, rather than concrete. i also... but you work with trees that have been cut down then, don't you? it's a sustainable building practice. how is it sustainable if you're killing trees? because it's regenerative, you can grow trees. right. well, you can grow all sorts of things, can't you? well, you can't grow concrete. you can. see you, cameron. cheerio. well, that is the interview, but after the broadcast it got many millions of views on social media — and continues to. cameron, when you hear that again, what do you think? what a shame that we have to endure such idiocy in our media spaces. it really is crazy he still has a platform, really. is that how you see it? i mean, do you think, despite the way the interview went,

i'm joined by cameron ford, who's a carpenter and

i'm joined by cameron ford, who's a carpenter and spokesperson for insulate britain. richard felgate, a documentary maker who was arrested last week while filming at hejust stop oil protest. also here, wolfgang blau, who left his top job at conde nast and co—founded the oxford climate journalism network. danny shaw, who used to be a bbc home affairs correspondent. he's now free to say what he really thinks. and fiona harvey, the guardian's environment correspondent who is at cop27 in egypt and has just left a session to get on the phone to talk to us. fiona, what's the mood amongstjournalists? have your stories been cutting through on the front pages this week? well, the mood is pretty grim here, actually. last week, we had the world leaders arrive, there was great fanfare, they had great things to say, it was all hugely interesting. what's happening now is that it's a lot of men in suits gathered in windowless rooms, just pouring over pages of text, deciding what to do about a semicolon here and a phrase there. it'sjust a grind now, these negotiations. and what does