frankly we're going on is just plain wrong guy let me tell you about a few of them a beginning with cameron munter he's not actually the bad guy the department of state here are not the bad guys the people who are committing these terrible acts or really the cia now but munter has been put in this ridiculous position where he is our ambassador to pakistan and still basically say you know you know now i'm stuck with thumbs down on each of these strikes can you imagine if the pakistani ambassador to washington d.c. sherry rehman was required to say you know you don't know killing people in texas. i mean she would be assassinated or she wasn't prosecuted for the death penalty in texas itself and so what we're doing that particular instance is just idiotic it's making the state department's job absolutely impossible so you know that as a gay she will win because we're mr mintz is doing is is totally illegal under any interpretation of the law but you can't take this all too seriously i do plan a few other strategies that are more fair than a court of public opinion and so for example here in britain t

ambassador to pakistan cameron munter questioning his role in authorizing a drone strike or two young boys ages twelve and sixteen were killed so let's hear more about this joining me to discuss it is clive stafford smith the founder of reprieve clive i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight and you know you have been your human rights activist this is what you do and so you fought also for the rights of one ton of a detainee you know not to have people be detained indefinitely without any court of law there but unfortunately that's still going on guantanamo is still open we still have indefinite detention why have you now switched your focus to drones. well i haven't given up on grant i don't know we've still got a lot of work to do there obviously because we have a minor battle completely but i do think we've come a long way a bit one thing that president obama said is he supposed to quintuple know and unfortunately the consequence of that is that the new policy is to basically take no prisoners so if you start firing these drone missiles the people you make just as many m