city of columbia maryland kawawa is president of the cameroon peoples party she joins us from dualla and in london we have eric he is executive director of the africa policy forum hello yes i'm just going to ask you to straight out i am just looking to see what is happening in cameroon right now cause i am just seeing a civil war can i call it a civil war. i don't think we can quite call it a civil war. i think. we have. people a significant people 20 percent of the population. has been marginalized for the last 60 years. that sentiment marginalize issues is general however is that 20 percent of the. very very small minority have decided to take up arms. to fight for their rights the majority of. do not agree with them right i think there is a. marginal rise that we have to all this problem but for those of us who live in cameroon and overwhelming majority do not believe in the use of by. to fight for our rights. and yet 3000 people have been killed since 2017 and that's probably quite a conservative estimate i want you to hear because he said this is not a civil war these are a few