i want to bring in congresswoman camilla jayapal. congresswoman, good to talk with you.start with what -- i'm going to ask you what i think appears to be the divide among democrats right now and sort of the different factions. do you think it is a divide on tactics, more than it is on substance, particularly on voting rights? >> chuck, it's great to see you. and i absolutely think that we are united as democrats on the goals of making sure we have free and fair elections. that the vote is not being suppressed. and i think the question is how to get it done. we progressives have obviously been saying for some time that the filibuster is stopping and blocking essential reforms that the american people across party lines support. and voting rights is one of those very important issues. and i would say, frankly, it's one of the most urgent issues. what's a democracy, if you don't have the ability for people to vote. and with the extended republican bills that are passing in state legislatures, on a partisan basis. we cannot be fooled into thinking that somehow there's going

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