cammeron, go into the immigration. one minute for you, cammeron and rosen beck in one minute. immigration debate. president obama didn't really say much specifically yesterday in las vegas. how is this going to shake down? >> well, did he put himself out in front of it not everybody was entirely thrilled about that some within his own party. the hispanic caucus wanted him sort of to stay on the sidelines. not be not involved. but the idea of inserting himself they worry could ultimately polarize and lead to more gridlock. mr. obama ignored this issue at his first term and some say now he really wants to make it part of his legacy and get serious and get real reforms. there is also worry that this could become ongoing fight and it becomes a political wedge for republicans and immigrants and senate would be orchestrating that. marco rubio signed on to big comprehensive reform plan this week. that's a big change for him. he spent much of last year warning republicans to do the whole comprehensive reform ran the possibility of collapsing under it own weight. he wanted to do smalle

smart risky move by cammeron. >> james? >> another hit for cammeron. this is cam cammeron.he is not the british prime minister. he is the former offensive coordinator of the baltimore ravens got fired during the season he has been rooghtd for the team this week he said it was a brilliant move firing him. he wasn't saying a terrible coach. shook up the team and helped him playut better. in the world of super charged egos it was refreshing to see a guy brilliant. now, i should say, this is not applicable media numerous. [ laughter ] not be a brilliant move to shake up your staff here. i'm just saying in general. >> you areng our defensive coordinator. so don't worry about it it okay, kim? >> i news to that so many americans are finally being given a choice to not join a union. the evidence for that came with department of labor statistics showing union membership had again dropped. now at post world war ii low. a lot of people fleeing were states from indiana and wisconsin which finally passed laws for the first time allowing people to negotiate on their own, not have to pay

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the whole culture is changing because of the politics on, this cammeron.my way or the highway anymore. it's going to be kind of extending a hand and they will kind of come to some agreement because border crossings are down. >> absolutely. but, mitch mcconnell, the head of the republican minority in the senate said what comes first is the debt and deficit. everything else is going to have to wait. there is going to be in the way. >> i don't know. i think they can walk and chew gum at the same time. maybe they can't. >> we will will see. >> maybe they can't. rosen, finally afghanistan, winding down the u.s. presence there. country is corrupt. remains so. karzai coming here. if you see karzai just check your wallet before you leave the room. because the guy is a weasel. we all know it. so what's going on there, rosen? >> well, the big decision that he is awaiting from the obama administration is how many u.s. troops the president is is going to leave in afghanistan after our combat mission in that country ends at the end of 2014. the pentagon was recommendin

. >> bill: cammeron, how do you see it. >> well, i think the republicans actually showed a lot of inconsistencieu talked about john mccain there. over the years john mccain has been very very quick to praise hillary clinton both publicly and privately and called her a friend and respectable. he was quite frank to her face. rand paul eyeing presidential run of his own. her spat with ron johnson of wisconsin was far and away was the hottest. it's going to play over and over to the only the facts but the style as well as the substance. marco rubleio, too. they were all pretty tough on her. >> bill: let me ask you guys. this is a quiz question, all right? because these guys are savvy reporters. rosen alluded to it. what was the major mistake that both the congress people and senators made in interrogating the secretary? >> hand down, bill, this is decades old, probably century's old problem with congressional hearings. members of the congress, house and senate, used their question time to make speeches. >> bill: okay. >> rather than breaking new ground. >> bill: that was a mistake. i don't

carl cammeron live in our d.c. newsroom to. know one's surprise i'm sure the nra is not backing down? >> no. they didn't mince any words at all saying afterwards we will not allow law abiding gun owners to be blamed for the acts of criminals and mad men. they sat in the same room today with the vice president but this is going to be a long, tough fight with all the trappings of a full blown partisan campaign. shep. >> shepard: did the vice president change his tone at all from yesterday. >> a little bit. with sports men and hunters today he emphasized finding common ground. yesterday outcry from gun rights in addition to gun control regulation the president could also take executive ax and go around congress. the head of the biggest group of conservatives in the republican house majority complained, quote: vice president biden would do well to read the second amendment and revisit the meaning of the phrase shall not be infringed. bypassing congress to implement radical policies is never acceptable and heinous when such actions

now, cammeron, you have some inside stuff on the gun control battle. go. >> yeah.e're sort of looking past the inaugural into what happens after that the president is going to go right back to the campaign trail. lots of the same sort of pomp and circumstance out with the folks that we saw during the actual election year campaign. it will be about the gun agenda as well as immigration and climate change in the debt ceiling where the gun issue is concerned, we will see rallies and town halls and lots of big gun control type money on tv screens. on the other side of all of this the national rifle association is planning a big ad blitz on its own. first one on the web started in the last day or so. it busts the president for hypocrisy because is he skeptical about the idea of armed guards in schools while his kids go to a private school here in d.c. by the way the house and the hill both know that the president's proposed ban on semiautomatic rifles is din disingenuous that there are not enough votes in the senate. everybody knows it. >> bill: states should control th

carl cammeron on the top story at the bottom of the hour from d.c. tonight. it sounds like the president is willing and considering taking matters into his own hands without the congress. >> an executive order the vice president joe biden was not specific and didn't say how. some at the white house have suggested the president could use an executive order to create a national data base to track weapons or maybe to improve background checks. the president has already said he would like to see, among other things, a ban on military-style semiautomatic assault weapons and restrictions on high capacity ammunition magazines. biden has a deadline at the end of the month. >> there was a pretty wide consensus on three or four or five things in the gun safety area that could and should be done around this table. >> and some folks around the vice president have said they could come up with recommendations next week. met with victims and gun safety groups today. tomorrow it's sports men, gun owners and the flar. in addition pro-gown and conservative up groups has claime

carl cammeron in butler, pennsylvania tonight. how has the community acted there, carl?ell, it was as you said already on the agenda before the sandy hook massacre. the iraq reaction afterward positive. 500 school districts in pennsylvania. about 100 of them have some sort of armed guard or police security already there has been there has been limited amount of opposition. we spoke to the mayor about the entirety of the program yesterday, listen. >> i believe there was only maybe one family that felt that that was the wrong decision. the others certainly agreed with that. butler school district has over 8,000 students. so, i think they feel confident that, you know, that butler is taking the steps to protect the children as much as that is humanly possible. there is obviously a big emphasis on this. more schools will likely undertake it and of course in the heat of all of this discussion about gun legislation the security of the kids is primary. they think this is the leading trend, something that the national rifle association had proposed but was largely ridiculed in t