campaignbill clinton in iowa for his wife was amazing. >> that is not going to be enough. chris: howard had a good point because it was clinton coming in campaign tight right through but you were correct in the early going which being decisive, all that apparatus, wasn't enough to kid on the block who seemed like it was his time. >> obama had this incredible organization of young people who were stationed in each of the towns in iowa. best iowabably the organization i've ever seen and grass -- he was a better roots kind of candidate at that point. she later became, when it was late, a really good candidate. chris: there are two factors i seemser, five years ago, like a long time ago, she was sort of still with the iraq war. she wouldn't take it back. guy was clearly against it from day one, like we wast heard of him he against the war and she was selling experience and the clinton thing. look, it's a different time, people have had the new kid on the block, time with more vintage. >> the threshold then for a candidate at a time of war was that thatcher-esque iron lady, woul