campbell brown, welcome. >> great to be here. good to see you. i wish it was in person. >> let's start with your decision five years ago to leave a prime time cnn show and you couldn't compete in the ratings, was that frustrating for you? >> of course it was. life is an evolution. my career in television certainly was. i loved very much being a reporter. what i struggled with when i became an anchor and doing the show at cnn was how ratings driven it was. almost impossible not to get caught up in that. my staff looking at the ratings every day when they came out at 4:00 or being demoralized or so excited based on that number. it's almost impossible for that number sometimes to not drive editorial decisions and that was frustrating. that took the joy out of doing journalism. >> do you thank that produced a polarized environment in cable news? >> well i think it pushes you to do things that aren't very worthwhile or beneficial more generally. we end up covering more celebrity scandal or crime than is necessary or we should be because it gets a pop.

campbell brown the former nbc and cnn anchor launch as website to push education reform and holding a forum next month with presidential candidate. is this journalism or raw advocacy? i am howard kurtz and this is "media buzz." >> a major media fouror building this weekend against donald trump first after the huffington post declared that trump is such a side show he will no longer be covered in politics but in entertainment leash with the kardashians and donald trump filed something personal saying i fully understand why her husband left her for a man. >> after john mccain said trump is firing up the crazies trump yesterday mocked the senator's time as a prisoner of war in vietnam. >> he is not a hero. >> he is. he was capture and that is why he was a war hero. i like people who were not captured. >> joining me is james rosen and matt lewis and jury, democratic much -- and julie roginisky. trump has thrived with this insulting style that generates headlines and now he is a presidential candidate. do the media include he is simply going too far again and again? >> i don't know the fit

campbell brown is founder and editor in chief of the 74. >> it looks good. about the education of america. we need this campbell. and you've been working on this for years. in just a few weeks, republican candidates will sit down for an education forum hosted by the 74. >> we're very excited. we're going to have two education summits. one in new hampshire august 19th for republicans. jeb bush scott walker carly fiorina, and bobby jindal confirmed. and october, for democrats, we're partnering with the des moines register to do a similar one in october. both are being sponsored by the american federation for children. so i think we want to put this front and center and make this part of the conversation. >> campbell was telling me in the break, the way they were able to get, first of all, to have all the candidates speaking about this issue is great, to be able to target in on one conversation, and it allows the candidates to really prepare what their positions are on i think an issue that really impacts everything that we're talking about. >> well impacts eve

i'm campbell brown. i'm kate bolduan. john berman is off. dramatic new video of a tense confrontation with an officer raising more questions than there are answers right now. independent autopsy results could come at any time. sandra bland was found dead in a texas jail three days after being arrested. the confrontation started after bland refused to put out her cigarette during a traffic stop. that has many questioning whether the 28-year-old woman should have been arrested in the first place. moments ago, texas officials denying the footage was edited that you're looking at here after critics spotted jump cuts in the video. we're going to tackle all of the questions lauds by the dashcam video as well as surveillance video from the jail where police say bland hanged herself. but first, i want you to see how quickly the routine traffic stop spiraled out of control. >> you mind putting out your cigarette, please. if you don't mind. >> i'm in my car. why do i have to put out my cigarette? >> you can step out now. >> i don't have to step out of

i'm campbell brown. i'm kate bolduan. john berman is off.on with an officer raising more questions than there are answers right now. independent autopsy results could come at any time. sandra bland was found dead