campbell, who, uh, blair or his office anyway, said that towards the end of his government, he was losing all credibility as his head of communications in downing street. um, is this something we knew previously, harryor, uh. or is campbell now being outed as, uh, you know, a bit of a liability under the blair government ? the blair government? >> well, i think what's, what's brought home with the new information we've got is how concerned the civil service were, because bear in mind, he wasn't. he wasn't employed by the labour party. he was he was supposedly , uh, a civil servant. supposedly, uh, a civil servant. his his salary was being paid for by us, by the by the taxpayer. and therefore there's a there's a responsibility to have a standard of professionalism , to have a, have professionalism, to have a, have a standard of honesty , uh, not a standard of honesty, uh, not to, um, bully people, bully journalists that he , that, that journalists that he, that, that he didn't like or stepped out of line not to provide selective leaks. uh, to his, um, favourite . so of course, we, we all remember the, um, the, the, the scandals over the iraq war and, and the death of david kelly and all those which w