7:30 this morning and be asked bay three-term house member who lost his statewide election and his candar president, i don't think he was thrilled about talking about that that much. that just -- politics is the kind of thing where vanity and egos matter. and this is somebody who takes great pride in his capacity to win in ohio and pride in his legislative record, one that as nia points out, mr. o'rourke does not share in the halls of congress. and it does speak to, i think, this broader unease with beto among kind of old democratic pros who see a lot of -- a lot of, you know, charisma there, certainly, but question what's underneath the hood. >> but alex burns, there is something that has made all the other campaigns so nervous. there was something that brought in $80 million in the texas senate race and did generate a national buzz there. >> oh, there's no question about that. i mean, he would not be running for president right now had he not captured the imagination of democratic voters nationally. and in texas as well. but the question now is did he capture that imagination, did he c