that's where candice stevens comes in. s a tax specialist at the ngo wilderness foundation africa. she wants to encourage landowners to turn their holdings into nature reserves. the government offers a tax incentive to do so. candice: what you are doing here is looking after south africa's natural wealth in the public good. >> yes. candice: and so there is that unique tax incentive to benefit that biodiversity. so even as you plough many time effort and energy into looking after this and farmers might think you don't get anything out there is a special tax incentive, just to get a little thing back. >> this man has already converted his land into a protected area. he can write off the cost of the purchase over a 25-year period. candice: that extra cash in pocket would be able to give a little bit more financial sustainability for you to manage this in perpetuity. so that you can put a little bit more into it, which would be your decision and you know what needs to happen on this side. >> absolutely. >> photographer koos van

. >> stephen: it's a steven soderbergh movie with a great cast, diane wiest, and candice bergen, ands hedges, yeah. >> stephen: and lucas hedges, just fantastic. but, it takes place, is it the queen mary 2? >> it's the queen mary, yeah. >> stephen: have you cruised before? because you actually, even now, it made cruising look attractive. >> well, it couldn't get much more attractive than on that particular ship. it's pretty spectacular. but, yeah, we went-- i guess it was last august. i mean, before the quarantine, before the covid thing, and we crossed for, i guess it's seven or eight days, and made the whole movie pretty much then. there were two or three scenes in england once we landed, but the added thing was that debra isenberg, the great novelist, and stephen had outlined an idea. and each scene, each day had the outlines of an idea, but no script. so we made it up as we went along. >> stephen: so how would they do it? would they hand you your intention or something? like, how do you know where you're going? >> well, you have where you're supposed to end up, the sort of result