he has the power to build into the canon law, the church law, asa into the canon law, the church law,ies, but you will be permanently excluded from the priesthood, and that does not happen at the moment. that is what you would be calling for. absolutely, and likewise with a cover—ups. bishops and cardinals who cover—ups. bishops and cardinals who cover up, cover—ups. bishops and cardinals who coverup, and we cover—ups. bishops and cardinals who cover up, and we know that happens around the globe, they must also face total exclusion from priestly ministry. that is the only thing the church can do that will go some to protecting our children now and in the future. has this shaken your belief in your god? no, funnily enough, nothing shakes my belief in the almighty. it continues to shake, and the pope‘s comments last night i just beyond... they are like a champion tantrum where last night he referred to people accusing the church of being a relative, friends, cousins of the devil. that is an increasingly inflammatory and horrible thing to say. it is water offa horrible thing to say. it i

minor changes to canon law i expect that as an outcome more consequential demands such as making it ever acquirement to report suspected abuse of priest to the police are unlikely to be met but some remain hopeful emphasizing that the status quo is simply not an option. there needs to be conscious concrete changes why wouldn't i be optimistic also do we want an organization that is going to continue to allow the rape of children and the where bishops are not held accountable. to lead you to maybe listening to the emotional testimonies from victims in the coming days will convince church leaders to make the necessary changes. we spoke to robert hertz and who heads an organization helping victims of sex abuse by catholic priests he told us that significant action is needed to bring about real change i was sexually abused as a young man in the religious life but i was also sexually abused by clergy as a child and so it has affected every aspect of my life. i am in my forty third year of psychotherapy attempting to recover from the ravages of sexual abuse that lasted from the ages of approxi

minor changes to canon law i expect that as an outcome more consequential demands such as making it every choir meant to report suspected abuse of priests to the police are unlikely to be met but some remain hopeful emphasizing that the status quo is simply not an option . there needs to be common concrete changes why wouldn't it be optimistic also do we want an organization that is going to continue to allow the rape of children and they be where bishops are not held accountable. to lead you to maybe listening to the emotional testimonies from victims in the coming days will convince church leaders to make the necessary changes and joining now with the big table by our religious affairs correspondent martin jacks good to see you mark so let's talk about the significance of this conference there's never been one like it before are we getting our hopes up if we expect something significant to come out of. there is a lot of expectation it's very unclear from reading both media specialist media and people around the church what is the object of that expectation you know i mean one of the thi

show them to show the world that they not only realize that there are other laws out there besides canon law but they have to abide by those laws and when they don't abide by those laws and they try to block our laws and they lobby against our laws they can't simultaneously hide behind our laws saudi arabia has replaced it some bastard to the us with its first female envoy princes remote been burned out of takes over from the king's son prince khalid been some money has been appointed vice defense minister the princess is the daughter of a former ambassador to the u.s. and previously worked for saudi arabia's general sports authority well rami khouri is a senior fellow and professor at the american university of beirut he says the saudi government's policies are the fundamental problem. the problem that the saudis have is that they don't have much credibility because of their policies not because of the people they appoint and princes rima is probably a very qualified intelligent amiable and articulate woman but she will have no chance to do anything if the policies of the saudi government i

no one is above canon law, one is above civil law. and if you do crimes or sins like this, you will be punished. it's a move towards greater transparency. anuii think, also, howkly it happened after the revelations came out, i think is-- is impoant, too. for the vatican, this is very fast. >> sreenivasan: in the arc of the last 15, 20 years, what has this abuse scal and all of its different chapters meant to the church and the lay public? >> well, it's been profoundly demoraliziop for pe. certainly the most affected are the victiti, vicsurvivors and their families, and anyone who knows them. but even for people who haven't been touched personally, it's very demoralizing. now, in 2002, they put in certain restrictions, such that if anyone is credibly accused is removed but weontill have a way to go. >> sreenivasan: even now, you look online, and you see hundreds of priests, hundreds of ioctims rolling out in church after church andceses all over the country. it's still happening. is that, in a way good, that it's at least getting out t

many many words but we haven't yet seen a lot of action steps so yes he must promote the change in canon law that says anybody who abuse a child is out anybody who covers up the abuse of children is out for example the ships who cover up they must be removed and the cabins in the church law must be revised so that any crime committed against the child must be reported to civil and criminal of ours now or you're describing there the ideal situation. what about a realistic outcome from this summit is taking place right now in the vatican what would be a successful outcome in your opinion. well judge just what i said would be successful outcome it's very simple we're dealing with criminal behavior the sexual abuse of a child is criminal behavior and so the pope all he has to say is anybody who does this to a child sexually abuse a child must be reported to law enforcement so that he may be held accountable for that in the courts of criminal law also he can say very simply anybody who does sexually abuse a child will no longer be an active priest a deacon they will not be re they will not remain

sticking to canon law the things that they have and being rigorous about that and the most to put up your call when i'm out of ammo should should be you know and forced but not only that i work with law enforcement with civil authorities in every country and turn in those pedophiles these bishops that tell you well i don't have the responsibility to turn in these you know these sinners they're not sinners they're criminals who have committed crimes to civil authorities no everybody should be doing that everybody should be doing do you think do you think that the church will eventually i mean and would in the foreseeable future make this its policy of turning evidence to national authorities i wish they did i don't know but i wish they did at least until it's happening and you know what. it's happening in other countries spain is waking up like i said and lot law enforcement who had been a bit sleepy regarding this or are taking it very seriously so the pressure i think will end up breaking you know these people who don't want to change what happened twenty years ago or or thirty year

minor changes to canon law i expect that as an outcome more consequential demands such as making it every choir meant to report suspected abuse of priests to the police are unlikely to be met but some remain hopeful emphasizing that the status quo is simply not an option . and there needs to be conscious concrete changes why wouldn't i be optimistic also do we want an organization that is going to continue or to allow the rape of children and the where bishops are not held accountable. to lead you to maybe listening to the emotional testimonies from victims in the coming days will convince church leaders to make the necessary changes. let's get a quick check now some other stories making news around the world the united states says that it plans to keep a small unit of around two hundred troops in syria as part of an international stabilizing force in december the trumpet administration announced that it would pull all of its two thousand troops in the region a decision that shocked u.s. allies and military commanders. india says that it is building dams to stop its share of waters from t

minor changes to canon law i expect that as an outcome more consequential demands such as making it every choir meant to report suspected abuse of priests to the police are unlikely to be met but some remain hopeful emphasizing that the status quo is simply not an option . there needs to be conscious concrete changes why wouldn't i be optimistic also do we want an organization that is going to continue to allow the rape of children and they be where bishops are not held accountable. to lead you to maybe listening to the emotional testimonies from victims in the coming days will convince church leaders to make the necessary changes. let's get more now we're joined by the religious affairs analyst martin gak how big is this for the church martin it's quite big at least it is trumpeted as being quite a sort of a moment of you know change in the church this is something that remains to be seen however it is true that there is a very clear the mind of concrete actions and it's also true that the church in twenty years has actually not produce concrete actions do you. see the potential for that

minor changes to canon law i expect that as an outcome more consequential demands such as making it every cryer meant to report suspected abuse of priests to the police are unlikely to be met but some remain hopeful emphasizing that the status quo is simply not an option. there needs to be common concrete changes why wouldn't it be optimistic also do we want an organization that is going to continue to allow the rape of children and their being where bishops are not held accountable. to lead you to maybe listening to the emotional testimonies from victims and the coming days will convince church leaders to make the necessary changes. right i'm now joined by a former priest and now victim advocate dr robert hoatson he is the co-founder of road to recovery a foundation that assists sexual abuse victims he is himself a survivor of clergy sexual abuse and he joins us now from west orange new jersey a very warm welcome doctor what are the chances that this summit which is currently underway the first of its kind will lead to a meaningful accountability and change. well based on the the run up

minor changes to canon law i expect that as an outcome more consequential demands such as making it every choir meant to report suspected abuse of priests to the police are unlikely to be met but some remain hopeful emphasizing that the status quo is simply not an option . there needs to be common concrete changes why wouldn't i be optimistic also do we want an organization that is going to continue to allow the rape of children and the where bishops are not held accountable. to lead you to maybe listening to the emotional testimonies from victims in the coming days will convince church leaders to make the necessary changes. so i'm now joined on the line by the to the hearing are full he is the editor in chief of the catholic news agency and he joins us from rome where the summit is underway a good evening sir what concrete steps can we expect from this historical meeting at the vatican. good evening i think we will feel from very concrete that we were outlined today by colonel fall of. bogota colombia he gave a very punishing talk just this afternoon. he made it clear that there will be

canon law is very strict on these things. a law that accompany this is kind of law that is very strict on how you deal with sexual abuse but they are not enforcing it. so you know, i happen not to blame the pope on this. . i think the pope is doing what he needs to do. it's these bishops that don't listen. the pope can say whatever he says but if the bishops don't do what what he's saying and are not transparent we're not going to get anywhere. and it's now or never. this summit is is it. >> juan carlos, you say it's now or never. i remember being in boston -- i lived in boston, i was a reporter in boston in 2002 when the "boston globe," the spotlight team revealed the bombshell report of just how widespread this was in the boston area. how can we still be here 17 years later? how can we still be having these revelations and this conversation 17 years later? >> alisyn, because we have useless bishops around the world and this is the situation, alisyn, and i think everybody who is listening will understand. i hear bishops, i h

. >> the pope could write that canon law saying if you are convicted of raping and abusing a child you never going to be a priest again. end of story. you are stripped of your priesthood. he could do that and e-mail that to all the bishops this afternoon. >> reporter: while those concrete steps didn't materialize, many of the conference participants spoke openly. sister veronica from nigeria sitting right next to francis, courageously called out the pope on his own refusal to believe abuse survivors in chile. >> i admire you, pope francis, for taking time as a true jesuit to discern and be humble enough to change your mind, to apologize and take action. >> reporter: and a german cardinal revealed what so many had long suspected. that records containing evidence of abuse have been destroyed. >> files that could have documented the terrible deeds and named those responsible were destroyed or not even created. >> reporter: germany is not an isolated case, he said. the vatican's top officials claim they are on the side of survivors. >> the expectations of victims should be also our expecta

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canon and the supreme court cites them as severability precedents. and this, you know, among many features kind of produces a state in which we have severe ability -- severability law that is somewhat problematic. i sort of want to pick up where professor harrison left us which is sort of this question of, what exactly is severability self is it remedyial? is there something else? so the sort of black letter law of severability sort of reduces to maybe three kind of fundamental points. so one, what is it? it's talked about as statutory construction, which i find sort of problematic and will sort of talk about that so we have kind of one question. statutory construction or remedy. two, we have kind of the governing test, which is legislative intent, you know, would congress or a state legislature prefer whaefs left when the unstul part or unconstitutional application has been excised or prefer nothing at all? and then the final point is how should a court deal with a severability clause which are quite common -- and i suppose you could also consider an inseverability clause. and the severability clause essentially says if any part, application, is held unconstitutio

points he put forward today, they're going to involve a change in protocol and involve a change in canon lawand anyone expecting significant change to happen after a four—day summit is not going to happen take much longer than that. how much of the hearing are the victims going to get here particularly the female victims what they get a seat at the table? there isa they get a seat at the table? there is a gathering of 190 church leaders that are present at the summit. the pope showed abb had this morning of testimonies of sexual abuse and print from the priest, and one of those with a woman so it's not just a man, necessarily, but this woman said she had been sexually abused by a priest since she was 15 years old for 13 years, she had a priest since she was 15 years old for13 years, she had been a priest since she was 15 years old for 13 years, she had been made pregnant three times and forced to have abortion three times so that we are certainly hearing this kind of harrowing tales that the church needs to hear about. on the other hand, i have all these church leaders there, all ten are wom

canon. the supreme court hypes them as severability precedents. and this, you know, among many features kind of produces a state in which we have a severability law that is somewhat problematic. i sort of want to sort of pick up where professor harrison left us, which is sort of this question of what exactly is severability? is it remedial? is there something else? so the sort of black letter law of severability sort of reduces to maybe three kind of fundamental points. so, one, what is it. it's talked about as statutory construction, which i find sort of problematic and will talk about that. two, we have kind of the governing test which is legislative intent. you know, would congress or would a state legislature prefer what's left when the unconstitutional part or unconstitutional application has been excised, or would it prefer nothing at all? and then the final point is how should a court deal with a severability clause, which are quite common. and i suppose you could also consider an inseverability clause. and the severability clause essentially says if any part, application, you know, is held unconstitutional, we want the rest. we want every