and he said, "oh, no, ijust saw that your cartoons would not be reproduced in the cape argus any mored to see the cartoons. and i had met him in 911, so i was speechless for a few seconds and then i said to him, "i really want to say something. "i'm just amazed that you called me personally, "but even more so because in the four years since i met you, "you would've seen the cartoons becoming more and more critical of the anc and of government," and he said, "oh, but that is yourjob." and for me, thatjust personified that amazing ability of his to take criticism and to see the importance of criticism, of cartooning, of good journalism in the country. and that puts him head and shoulders above most politicians, most statesmen. let's talk now about your relationship with more recent south african leaders, and in particular, i want to focus onjacob zuma, cos it's one thing to draw a leader with a slipping halo. your treatment of zuma was on a different scale. and most people in south africa will think of your characterisation of zuma with a showerhead coming out of the top of his head. it