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capitol. the committee presenting its case as former president trump is to blame for the assault. >> president trump summoned the mob, assembled the mob and lit the flame of this attack. >> tonight, never before seen evidence about the attack on the capitol itself and what president trump did in those moments as told by those who lived it. >> i could hear the din of the rioters in the building. >> the noise from the rioters became audible, at which point we recognized maybe they had gotten into the building. >> now, the january 6th committee makes its closing argument to the american people. reporting tonight, lester holt. >> good evening. it was one of the most difficult days in american history. for more than a year the january 6th committee e s been investigating why and how a mob of thousands stormed the capitol building. they tried to make the case it was former president trump who was directly responsible for the assault. tonight will be the last in this series of hearings. their closing

capitol. those inside the white house describing the former white house watching it all on tv and, they say, failing to act. members of the committee calling it a dereliction of duty. they'll focus on the 187 minutes from the time the president finished speaking on the ellipse about 1:10 p.m. eastern, where he urged supporters to go to the capitol. of course testimony already the president knew some of those supporters were armed. and then the hours that went by until the former president posted that video at about 4:17 p.m. telling those at the capitol to go home. we love you. you're very special. tonight we will hear in-depth where the president was at the white house for more than three hours. much of it spent watching tv in his room right off the oval office. looking live at the hearing room. members of the committee about to enter. >> the committee will come to order. >> the vice chair, liz cheney. >>> good evening. earlier this week i received a positive covid diagnosis. per cdc guidelin

to the capitol! go to the capitol! >> as rioters were entering the building, the secret service held vice president pence in his office right off the senate chamber for 13 minutes, as they worked to clear a safe path to a secure location. now, listen to some of that radio traffic and see what they were seeing as the protestors got just feet away from where the vice president was holding. >> ( bleep ) oh the building. hold. >> if we're moving we need to move now. >> copy. if we lose any more time, we may have -- we may lose the about to leave. so if we're going to leave, we need to do it now. >> they've gained access to the second floor, and i've got -- side me from below. >> copy. they are on the second floor moving in now. we may want to consider getting out and leaving now. copy. >> will we encounter the people if we make our way. >> repeat. will we encounter people if we make our way. >> six people between us and the people who are five and ten feet from us. >> i'm going down to evaluate. go ahead. we have a clear s

capitol building. they also appear to be supporters of donald trump, who may have been in attendance at the rally. we are going to need to say something. >> you have a view as to what we we should be saying about the white house? >> if i recall, i told kaylee that i thought we needed to encourage individuals to stop. to respect law enforcement and to go home. >> although president trump was aware of the ongoing riots, he did not take any immediate action to address the lawlessness. instead, at 2:03, he called rudy giuliani again, and that call lasted for over eight minutes. moments later it 2:13, writers broke into the capitol itself. one of the probably discharged with visage conspiracy used an officer shield to smash a window, and rioters flooded into the building. as writers were entering the building, the secret service held vice president pence in his office right off the senate chamber for 13 minutes as they worked to clear a safe path to a secure location. now listen to some of that radio traffi

capitol.bobby had relayed to him we're not, we don't have the assets to do it, it's no the secure, the president said something to the effect of, "i'm the f'ing president, take me up to the capitol now." >> rioters chanted "hang mike pence." the president of the united states said that, quote, mike deserves it. >> i remember pat saying something to him about the rioters have gotten to the capitol, mark, we have to see the president now. mark looked up and said he doesn't want to do anything. >> he put this tweet out at 2:24 p.m. where the president said the vice president didn't have the courage to do what needed to be done. >> i was disgusted. it was unpatriotic. it was unamerican. we were watching the capitol building get defaced over a lie. >> just some of the testimony we have seen. i want to bring in laura coates and john conway, conservative attorney general. what are the legal implications of dereliction of duty? >> we're past the idea of impeachment and high crime misdemeanors. now it

at the foot of capitol hill. since i last hearings, we perceive new testimony from a security professional working in the white house complex on january 6 with access to relevant information and responsibility to report to national security officials. the security official told us that the white house was aware of multiple reports of weapons in the crowd that morning. we as a committee. are cognizant of the fear of retribution expressed by certain national security. witnesses have come forward to tell the truth. we therefore taken steps to protect this national security individual's identity. listen to this clip the people. >> about the idea meant a lot happen. >> to be completely we roll into the because cause was just. one of the actual physical disability doing it. and then also we all knew to do with business was no longer. well, we did this. we want to move to something because we want i don't know if you want to use were we all knew that this would move from the normal. democratic, you know. public event in

undeniable violence at the capitol. the vice president being evacuated to safety by the secret service senators running through the hallways of the senate to get away from the mob. as the commander in chief, president trump was oath and duty-bound to protect the capital. his senior staff understood that. >> do you believe jared, that the president has an obligation to ensure a peaceful transfer of power? >> yes. and you think the president has an obligation to defend all 3 branches of our government? i believe so. >> and i assume you also would agree the president has a particular obligation to take care that the laws be faithfully executed. that is one of the president's obligations, correct? >> what we do, he is. i mean, there's there's a constitutional duty what he has used commander tree. >> that was 2 years for that was my biggest issue with him as nash security advisor. >> rather than uphold his duty to the constitution, president trump allowed the mob to achieve the delay that he hoped would keep him in power. i

undeniable violence at the capitol.vice president being evacuated to safety but the secret service. senators running through the hallways of the senate to get away from the mob. as the commander-in-chief, president trump, was oath and duty-bound to protect the capitol. his senior staff understood that. >> do you belie that the president has an obligation to ensure a peaceful transfer of power? >> yes. >> do you think the president has any obligation to defend all three branches of our government? >> i believe so. >> i assume you also would agree the president has a particular obligation to take care that the laws be faithfully executed. >> that is one of the president's obligations, correct. >> i asked what his duty is. >> there's a constitutional duty . he is the commander-in-chief. that was my biggest issue with him as national security advisor. >> rather than uphold his duty to the constitution, president trump allowed the mob to achieve the delay that he hoped would keep him in power. amy: elaine luria before her, m

to leave the capitol. he did not relent until after 4 o'clock when he went out to go to the rose garden to film his now infamous go home message. pat cipollone was a top white house lawyer. here's what he told us about his reaction to seeing the violence and his advice throughout the afternoon. when did you first realize that that actually? but me. >> first realizing that may have been on may have tony, you meet and build. but i found out that people were, you know, they weren't in the capital people, you know, and watching that i was aware. >> what specifically did you think? >> i think it was pretty clear need to be an immediate and school. >> this spot statement public statement that people need to leave the capitol that. >> but this is exactly sounds like. he from the very outset the capitol right around 2 o'clock pushing for a strong statement that people should leave the capitol. is that right? i wasn't all that sort stuff. >> can you said that you expressed your opinion forcefully? >> tell us exactl

capitol building. they also appear to be supporters of donald who may have been in attendance at the rally. we are going to need to say something. >> do you have a view of what is going on at the white house? >> if i recall, i told kaylee that i thought we needed to encourage individuals to stop, to respect law enforcement and to go home. >> although president trump was aware of the ongoing riot, he did not take any immediate action to address the lawlessness. instead, at 2:03, he called rudy giuliani again and that call lasted for over eight minutes. at 2:13, rioters broke into the capitol building itself. they smashed a window and rioters floated into the building -- flooded into the building. as rioters entered the building a meeting was held with mike pence as they worked to clear a path through the crowd. rioters got within feet of where the vice president was held. >> if we lose any more time, we may lose the ability to leave so if we are going to leave, we need to go now. >> they gained access t

capitol building.en and attendance at the rally. we are going to need to say something. >> and you have a clue as to why [inaudible] the white house? >> if i recall, i told kayleigh that i think we needed to encourage individuals to stop, to respect law enforcement, and to go home. >> although president trump was aware of the ongoing riots, he did not take any immediate action to address the lawlessness. instead, a 203, he called rudy giuliani again and that call lasted for over eight minutes. moments later, at 2:13, rioters broke into the capital itself. one of the proud boys charged with seditious conspiracy, dominick puzzle, though used officers shields to smash the window and rioters flooded into the building. [noise] as rioters were entering the building, the secret service held vice president pence in his office right off the senate chamber for 13 minutes as they worked to create a safe path to a secure location. now, listen to some of that radio traffic and see what they were seeing as the prote

he said i want to go down to the capitol. >> what about him marching to the capitol on the sixth? >> yes. >> tell us about that. >> so, it's kind of a general thing, to get into the specifics of it, i was aware of the desire of the president to potentially march or accompany the rally attendees to the capitol. >> when did you first hear about this idea, of the president accompanying attendees to the capitol? >> after he finished through his remarks. >> when the president said that he would be going to the capitol during his speech on the ellipse, the secret service scrambled to find a way for him to go. we know this from witnesses and the secret service. we also know it from messages among staff on the presidents national security council. the nsc staff were monitoring the situation in realtime. you can see how the situation evolved in the following chat log that the committee has obtained. as you can see, and yes the staff believed that mogul, the president, was going to the capital, and, quote, they were finding the best route now. from these chants we also know that the staff l

almost immediately after i found out people were getting into the capitol or approaching the capitol in a way that was violent. >> do you remember any discussions with mark meadows with respect to his speaking with president, to say something along the lines that you suggest. >> many people suggested it. not just me. many people felt the same way. i'm sure i had conversations with mark about this during the course of the day and expressed my opinion very forcefully. this needs to be done. >> so your advice was to tell people to leave the capitol, and it took over two hours, when there were subsequent statements made, tweets put forward, and if you continue, throughout this period of time, up until 4:17, continued, you pushed for a stronger statement? >> yes. >> when you joined in tha ivanka trump. >> yes. >> mark meadows. >> for the first time people saw what went on hine the scenes on the infamous twitter. >> look at this. these are remarks on exhibit 25 were not the remarks the president delivered in the rose garden. do you know why the president decided not to use these? >> i don'

capitol. >> there's gonna be a red wedding going down january six. >> so why did you decide to march to the capitol? >> basically, the president got everybody riled up and told everybody to come down, so we basically just followed what he said. >> a jarring closing revelation from the investigators. >> after our last hearing, president trump tried to call a witness in our investigation, a witness you have not yet seen in these hearings. this committee has supplied that information to the department of justice. >> tonight, one of the committee members who led today 's hearing, congressman jamie raskin of maryland. >> plus nicole wallace, lawrence o'donnell, stephanie ruhle, alex wagner, joy reid, chris hayes all here for our primetime recap of the seventh hearing from the january 6th investigation. >> good evening, i'm rachel maddow here at msnbc headquarters along the great joy reid, chris hayes, lawrence o'donnell nicole wallace. very happy to be with you this evening. i'll be joined by many

capitol. instead, for 187 minutes, between leaving the ellipse and telling the mob to go home, the 45th president of the united states first argued with secret service agents who refused to take him to the capitol. then after returning to the white house, sat in a small, private dining room off the oval office, transfixed by the violence he saw playing out on fox news. which showed the capitol under siege. trump learned just 11 minutes after returning that the protest had turned violent, but he did not make any calls to intervene. failing to reach out to the secretary of defense, the attorney general, or the department of homeland security. instead, he demanded a list of senators' phone numbers, calling and encouraging them to delay or object to the certification of the electoral college count. while the president's official call log from the white house that afternoon is empty, trump placed at least two other calls that day. not to the military or the police but to rudy giuliani. for hours, t

capitol on january 6th.f the people who invaded the capitol that day extended his hand to harry dunn, and apologized. officer dunn will tell us in a moment if he accepted that apology. here is officer dunn's testimony in the very first january 6th committee hearing last year. >> this wasn't the first time that, if i can just use this quote, that the maga people came up here to the capitol before. they were in d.c. before. there we are some skirmishes, but it was never an attempt to overthrow the democracy. they came up, and i think this was maybe their second or third time that they have come up on january six. and even then, his belligerent as they were, didn't account to this violence. so the only difference that i see that is that they had marching orders. >> joining us now, u.s. capitol police officer, harry dunn, who was in the hearing room today. officer dunn, was this the first time that you have met someone who invaded the capitol that day? >> hey, lawrence thanks for having me on. first time that i

capitol. the panel arguing trump's, quote, call to arms directly led to the violent insurrection. also in today's hearing witnesses described what they said was an unhinged and nuts oval office showdown as trump and his enablers considered outlandish ways to try to overturn the 2020 presidential election. and key white house officials pushed back. >>> and the closing bombshell. as the committee vice chair liz cheney revealed, the panel has alerted the justice department in washington that trump tried to contact a witness in a possible attempt to influence testimony. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." we're coming to you live from jerusalem to cover president biden's historic trip here. he leaves the white house in just a few hours and arrives here tomorrow. more on this important visit. that's coming up ahead. but first, we want to break down all the new revelations from today's hearing on the january 6th insurrec

capitol. members heard testimony from a former deputy white house secretary and a former deputy national security advisor, who both resigned as a result of the president's actions. i received the initial two shots and all of the boosters. so far, i have been bl >> minimal symptoms. because i am still quarantining, i cannot participate with my colleagues. i have asked our vice chair to preside over this evening's hearing, including maintaining order in the room and swearing in our witnesses. over the last month and a half, the select committee has told the story of a president who did everything in his power to overturn he lied, he believed, he betrayed his oath. he tried to destroy our democratic institutions. when he heard that the mob was heavily armed and angry, he commanded the mob to go to the capital and he emphatically commanded the heavily armed mob to fight like hell. in the weeks before the election, donald trump was a force to be reckoned with. he glossed over the advice of his know

we know they talked about storming the capitol, swarming around the capitol. whose idea was it if there was a specific person to enter the capitol, or was it a matter of seizing the moment? we don't know the answer. >> so some groups went directly to the capitol as opposed to starting at the rally? >> yes. although most groups did start at the rally. the proud boys were sort of an exception to that. they had a meeting at 10:00 in the morning at the washington monument. that's where supposedly the last-minute instructions were given. then the allegations in the government's indictment that they were at the pointy end of the spear. they led people to the capitol after the rally. they were the first ones to push through the police barrier. one is charge with being the first person to use a police shield to break out a window. and that's how the first people got into the capitol. they got in through a window and then opened the door. >> no way to know but i'll ask you anyway. any idea if the justice department watching this is hearing or seeing anything they hadn'

capitol building itself. it's a symbol of what it means. not only to the people that work there, but to the american people generally and work of congress that by law needed to be conducted that day. >> in hindsight that the president had asked the protesters to leave the capitol earlier than he ended up asking them to do that. >> course. i would love it. the go home message would have happened earlier in the day. >> the president's words matter. we know that many of the rioters were listening to president trump. we heard from one last week, stephen ayres, let's listen to what he had to say about the 4.17 message from the president and see how rioters reacted to the president's message in real time. >> when we were there. >> it soon as that come out. everybody started talking about it and that's it seem like it started to disperse. you know, some of the >> says go >> yeah. >> but justice mr. ayre said police were still fending off the last throes of the brutal assault. i yield to the gentleman from illinois. >> well, everyone else was worki

capitol. >> they're literally calling for the vice president to be f'ing hung. >> he thinks mike deserves it. he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong. >> tonight new testimony from witnesses who were inside the white house with the president when it happened. >> it was bad and the situation was getting out of hand. >> we were always in the dining room. >> it was my understanding he was watching television. >> i thought the president needed to tweet something. >> i read that tweet and made a decision to resign. >> mike pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done. >> the chairman of the investigation, bennie thompson, out with covid. joining tonight by video. >> we will walk through the events of january 6th minute by minute. >> we'll tell the story of that supreme dereliction by the commander in chief. >> a supreme dereliction. tonight's january 6th hearing live from washington with nicole wallace, joy reid, chris hays, lawrence o'donnell, stephanie rule, alex wagner. a

capitol building. they also appeared to be supporters of donald trump who may have been and attendance at the rally. we are going to need to say something. >> and you have a clue as to why [inaudible] the white house? >> if i recall, i told kayleigh that i think we needed to encourage individuals to stop, to respect law enforcement, and to go home. >> although president trump was aware of the ongoing riots, he did not take any immediate action to address the lawlessness. instead, a 203, he called rudy giuliani again and that call lasted for over eight minutes. moments later, at 2:13, rioters broke into the capital itself. one of the proud boys charged with seditious conspiracy, dominick pezzola, though used officers shields to smash the window and rioters flooded into the building. [noise] as rioters were entering the building, the secret service held vice president pence in his office right off the senate chamber for 13 minutes as they worked to create a safe path to a secure location. now, listen to

sharing maps of the capitol, how to penetrate the capitol. that has nothing to do with the first amendment. >> donell, when you saw the video of them approaching in stacks, you saw the military formations, and just the armament that you just alluded to, how did all of that happen under the eyes of all the authorities, despite the warnings that you and ben collins, our own reporter, was seeing and how to let armed troops get this close with organized groups that everyone had supposedly been tracking? >> well, i only have half the answer to that. half the answer is many violent actors not only on the right but the left as well use peaceful protests, legitimate first amendment protected activities to hide and masquerade behind and they take the opportunity to become violent. these folks unfortunately were able to hide in plain sight. they weren't sharing these secrets in some dark, deep corners of the web that you need special tools and tactics and techniques to get to. they were saying this on facebook, right? they were announcing their plans b

capitol on the eve of january 6. this is debby lesko from arizona, who left some of the unfounded results to the election. >> i also asked leadership to come up with a safety plan for members. i'm very concerned about this. we have who knows how many hundreds of thousands of people coming here. we have antifa. we also have quite honestly trump supporters that actually believe that we are going to overturn the election. when that doesn't happen most likely will not happen, they're going to go nuts. >> that same evening as president trump listened to the rally from the oval office, he was also working on his speech to be delivered the next day. based on documents that we received from the national archives and witness testimony, we understand how that speech devolved into a call the action and a call to fight. one of the first edit president trump made to his speech was to incorporate his 5:05 p.m. tweet revising his speech to say, all of us are here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by radical left

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we're not going to the capitol. mr. trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bob by engel and when he recounted this story to me he had motioned towards his clavicles. >> let's start with the new reporting. cnn congressional correspondent ryan nobles has it. what are you learning? >> yeah, that's right, victor. this comes from two different sources within the secret service who spoke to our noah gray who said that this story of the former president being irate and demanding to be taken to the capitol on the day of january 6th was something that was spread around the secret service in the weeks, months and days after what happened on january 6th. some recounting this story as early as february and the two different sources have stories that are very similar to the one that cassidy hutchinson testified to in the hearing on tuesday saying that the president was mad and that he lunged toward the steering wheel in an effort to try and get the detail to take him to capitol hill, and what's also important is that that se

capitol. >> even though he understood that thousands of his supporters were armed, the president was so adamant to go to the capital. the secret service agent was adamant that he could not go. we have evidence from multiple sources regarding an angry exchange in the presidential suv including testimony that we will disclose today and to witnesses who confirmed that a confrontation occurred. the first witness is a former white house employee with national security responsibilities. after seeing the initial violence at the capitol on tv, the individual went to see the deputy chief of staff. it was bobby ingle, the lead secret service agent to the president. this employee told us that he said that the president was irate when mr. ingle refused to drive them to the capital. the second witness is retired sergeant mark robinson of the d.c. police department who was assigned to the presidential motorcade that day. he sat and lead vehicle with the secret service agent responsible for the motorcade. he

we know that you illegally entered the capitol that afternoon and then left the capitol area later on. what made you decide to leave? >> basically, when president trump put his tweet out, we literally left right after that come out. you know, to me, ould done thate day, 1:30, you know, we wouldn't be in this, maybe wouldn't be in this bad of a situation or something. >> thank you. mr. chairman i yield back. >>ha the gentleman from maryland, mr. raskin. >> thank you, mr. chairman. mr. van tatenhove, in the run up to january 6th stewart rhodes personally implored the president to calm up the 1824 act, rebellion against the united states. i want to get your thoughts about in your prior relationship with stewart roasdz. i understand you had conversation with rhodes about the insurrection act. why was he so fictionated on that and -- fixated on that and what did he think it would enable the oath keepers to do? >> i think it gave him a sense of legitimacy. to move forward with his goals and agenda $. i think we need to quit mincing words and talk about truths and what it was going to be was

>> were you planning on going to the capitol? >> no. we didn't actually plan to go down there. >> why did you decide to march to the capitol? >> basically the president, he got everybody riled up, told everybody to head on down so we basically just following what he said >> reporter: there was no cross-examination of witnesses today republicans have slammed the january 6th panel as partisan. every member of the committee was appointed by speaker pelosi mr. trump today blasting the committee as the same lunatics who drove the country crazy with their lies and made up stories like russia, russia, russia, though ayers today saying he no longer believes the claim of election fraud. >> do you still believe the election was stolen >> not so much now with all the lawsuits being shot down one after another. that was mainly with a convinced me >> reporter: afterwards, ayers hugging a member of the capitol police saying he was sorry. >> kristin joining me now. what's the impact of all this >> that's the big question politically speaking, a

to walk down to the capitol.ack our country with weakness. you have to show strength. >> reporter: while he speaks, pro-trump rioters, including members of the far-right group, the proud boys, overrun the first set of barriers outside the capitol. >> this is incredible. thank you very much. >> reporter: at 1:10, trump's speech concludes and house minority leader kevin mccarthy warns hutchinson that trump should not come to the capitol. >> he just said it on stage, cassidy, figure it out, don't come up here. >> reporter: nine minutes later, trump arrives back at the white house, reportedly enraged the secret service refused to take him to the capitol. >> the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engle grabbed his arm, said, sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. we're going back to the west wing. we're not going to the capitol. mr. trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engle, and when mr. ornato had recounted the story towards me, h

people died at the capitol.redible we don't know exactly what was going on with the secret service, especially now that we know just how scared the secret service agents were, that were with mike pence. we saw yesterday that new evidence that said that service agents were scared for their lives, having good-bye calls with their families. it's chilling to think what the secret service text messages could reveal here. and continue, they're continuing to try to look for information about what the secret service and the security detail around president trump was thinking at the time. i think it's remarkable that the dhs and inspector general is now saying, we're going to look into this and possibly look into this in a criminal way. >> you know, i've been covering presidents since jimmy carter, full-time with the reagan white house, and know a lot of secret service agents and have great relationships with them, and personal exposure, also, after 9/11, when my own husband was a protectee for some time. so i know how v

they were coming to take over the capitol. and we expressed that. >> that is not in my jurisdiction, and i have no idea that it wouldn't be protected. sir, that is what i am curious about. we are clearly putting this out on open source media. why weren't things protected the way they should have been? >> most of the testimony the committee showed today, listen and. >> some very violent individuals were organizing to come to dc, and not only were these nonaligned groups, were aligning, you know, when you have armed militia collaborating with whites of premises groups, collaborating with conspiracy theory groups online, with toward a common goal, you start seeing what we call a blended ideology which is a very bad sign. >> again, that was your testimony, right? >> it is pretty clear that those very bad actors were converging with open source information, converging on the capitol. has the committee been able to directly connect those plotters to the former president? >> i don't know if they have been able to. i think that is the

capitol. he told them -- how obvious it was a president trump was not meeting this moment. it is helpful to look at the real-time reactions of his own son, don jr., captured in a series of text messages with mark meadows. i want to warn that these messages include strong leg wedge. he first texted mr. meadows at -- he needs to come -- condemn this shit. i am pushing it hard, i agree. >> they will try to fuck his entire legacy on this. >> here is what don jr. meant by going to the mattresses. >> when you say that mr. meadows needs to go to the mattresses on this issue, what is that mean? >> it's a reference to going all in, a godfather reference. >> sean hannity agreed and turned to the president for help -- hannity texted at 331 pending -- 3:31. mr. meadows responded that he was, quote on it. sean hannity was not the only -- to tell them up to leave to go home. throughout this attack mr. meadows received texts from republican members of congress, current and former trump administration officia

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at the capitol and now has recanted. when asked why they left, and he said that they left because trump finally, at around 4:17, i think, told them to, which i think again shows you who was in charge. >> exactly. david, i want to get you on this mob. you had a group going to the capitol. coordinated, organized. we have a text message sent january 4th. potus is going to have us march there. can't get out about the second stage, because people might try to sabotage. this was two days in advance of the insurrection. we know from hutchinson's testimony trump was told the mob was armed but he doubled down, and people listened. >> we didn't actually plan to go down there. you know, we went basically to see the stop the steal rally, and that was it. >> so why did you decide to march to the capitol? >> well basically, you know, the president, you know, got everybody riled up, told everybody to head on down, and we basically was just following what he said. >> what does that show, david? >> you know, it's typical of trump. what h

this is the largest data set of its kind from capitol rioters, 417 capitol rioters and their charging documents, the stuff they told the cops when they were arrested. or if they didn't give out their motive straight up, their social media accounts that said their motive in the days beforehand, kelly megs, member of the oath keepers in florida, he interpreted on facebook that twitter tweet from donald trump saying it will be wild, he said it means we need to make it wild, he's telling us to be wild. it is 417 of the rioters, the largest so far, it shows the top reason by a lot is that donald trump expressly told them to go there. >> this study looks at the most shared links among these -- this sort of data set they had, 400 plus rioters. the second most shared link was this video from former president trump where he put on facebook where he lied about voter fraud for 14 minutes. it cites, you live in the world of misinformation, extremism, online sort of swampy stuff here. what stood out to you on this? >> that's interesting to me, i don't think most people even remember that video. a

capitol. >> what did he say? >> i don't recall him saying anything in response to that. i believe that was the end of the conversation. >> did he change anything in light of your comments? >> no, sir, he did not. >> what about this made you think that someone might perceive the president having a role in the violence at the capitol? >> it was my interpretation of the words -- you know, i don't write speeches or anything. but the phrase "these are the things that happen" to me, sounded as if culpability was associated with it, to me. >> i don't think it's a patriotic act to attack the capitol. but i have no idea how to characterize the people other than they trespassed, destroyed property and assaulted the u.s. capitol. i think calling them patriots is a stretch, to say the least. >> is that all it is, a stretch? or just flatly wrong? >> i don't think it's a patriotic act to attack the u.s. capitol. >> would you call it unpatriotic? >> criminal, unpatriotic, sure. >> what happened at the capito

undeniable violence at the capitol. the vice president being evacuated to safety by the secret service. senators running for the hallways of the senate to get away from the mob. as the commander-in-chief, president trump was oath and duty-bound to protect the capitol. host: if you missed the hearing, go to our website, c-span.org. we highlight the key moments. hit the video player and you will see a gold star at the bottom. that gives you a look to go through the more than two hours of testimony last night. happening in washington, d.c. today, our coverage on c-span. 1:00 p.m. eastern time includes dr. rochelle walensky, director of the centers for disease control. she will talk to the washington post about the latest surgeon covid-19 cases and probably being asked about the president's positive test yesterday. on saturday, 10:45 a.m. eastern time, january 6 committee member jamie and former federal judge michael luddig discussed the u.s. capitol. we will have live coverage at 10:45 a.m. eastern time on c-span, connor v

it happened on the capitol steps right in front of a capitol police officer.s dude of the engaged. it wasn't like a political opinion or protest. he was engaged in very clearly sexually, threatening aggressive behavior right in front, on the capitol steps in front of an officer. he wasn't asked to take a step back. this officer was just cool with it. >> jesse: she's making the point that the heckler wasn't engaged in legitimate political protest. which is his right and which aoc should expect. he was cat-calling her. she wants to know where are the big strong men who should be protecting me. aoc's fiancee, didn't protect her at all. in fact, he goes right up the stairs. i don't know what she wants the cops to do. arrest him, shoot like or tell him to step off. it's unclear. it is clear the guy was not a good guy, but, what did she want the police officer to do? what is clear is that aoc had no problem when left wing protesters chase kavanaugh out of a restaurant last week. instead, she voted against the bill that would have given the justices extra security. s