then caputo says, the russian way, anything at all interesting? and that stone texted back, no. >> that's right. roger stone is sort of famously curt by text message and often by phone, too. and caputo was not surprised that roger didn't have a lot to say about the meeting, and both of them say it was such a short and inconsequential meeting that they forgot about it. now, i think that is a contention that they both made that people will have to mull and decide whether they believe or not. because as you mentioned, neither of these men disclosed this meeting when they appeared to testify before the house intelligence committee. >> right. so you report and remind everyone that they didn't disclose this to congressional investigators, so what's with the willingness now to share this with you, the "washington post"? >> caputo says that he was interviewed by prosecutors in special counsel robert mueller's office. >> last month. >> in may, and that those text messages were shown to him during the meeting. and he was concerned about that and has started

the fact that roger stone and caputo are now talking about this after caputo has been interviewed, i think, may be troubling to the special counsel, it may be troubling to all the lawyers involved. >> in a statement, adam schiff, the ranking member of the intelligence committee, both of them testified before this committee. among other things, schiff said, in multiple respects now, the testimony of roger stone appears inaccurate or deliberately misleading. similarly michael caputo's testimony mentioned this interaction of a russian offering dirt on hillary clinton, something which could not plausibly have escaped his recollection. >> yeah, i think schiff is saying they lied to us and they lied to us intentionally. now, they're going to be probably called back. the attorney sent a clarifying letter. >> attorneys for both of these witnesses sent letters clarifying that. >> and the question and whether they'll be called before mueller to discuss this and to discuss the question about whether they were improperly talking with each other about arranging their explanations for all of this.

caputo and mr.stion that and say is it possible that the fbi opened the investigation earlier than they've led us to believe? >> two things. one, just look at this graphic of all the trump associates in contacts with russians during the campaign or transition. it's a lot of people. and second of all, there's three things that happened right around may, june. right? you've got george papadopoulos is having a meeting assessed to be somehow connected to russian intelligence who says he's got dirt on hillary and he's blabbing about it to the australian ambassador. you've got this meeting of someone trying to get to the trump people saying i've got dirt on hillary clinton and i'm a russian. and then you've got the trump tower meeting. again, all within the span of about six weeks. all these different vectors of people being like i'm associated with the russians, i'm trying to bring you dirt on hillary clinton. and the one thing we know for sure is that no one in the campaign, when the news breaks, the ru

in fact, we were able to review text messages between stone and caputo in which caputo says how crazy is the russian? and roger stone says the meeting is a waste of time. >> a waste of time because this henry greenberg would not give up anything he knew unless he were paid? so that's why he didn't divulge anything? >> we'll leave it up to you to determine that based on the reading of the text messages, but what roger stone has told us is that he just did not think this guy had anything to provide them and particularly that he wasn't interested in money changing hands in order for information to be given to the campaign. >> so a couple hours ago i spoke with joyce vance that suggested this is a serious matter. can you put that in context with the mueller probe? >> we think it is a serious matter for this reason. michael caputo has told us on the record that he was asked about this meeting, about this contact when he was interviewed by the prosecutors in the special counsel investigation. that makes it a big deal. >> okay. and you also reached out to this russian national, henry greenbe

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caputo writing, "how crazy is the russian?" to which stone replied "he wants big money for the info. waste of time." caputo, "the russian way. anything at all interesting?" stone, "no." befo today stone had claimed he never met with any russians during the campaign season. >> i've never been to russia. i didn't talk to anybody who was identifiably russian during the two-year run-up to this campaign. i'm not sure i did previously either. i very definitely can't think of anybody who might have been a russian without my knowledge. no, i think it's a canard. >> both stone and caputo also failed to tell congressional investigators about this meeting. it was only robert mueller's team, the special counsel, showed caputo his text messages with stone during an interview back in may that his memory was refreshed. here's what caputo tolls cnn just hours after that interview with mueller's investigators in which we now know he was shown these texts. >> the mueller team knew more about what i did in 2016 than i knew myself. and i think the

now with michael caputo and roger stone. the other thing is they never take responsibility for their actions. no one ever says, you know what? it was a mistake for me to take this meeting with a russian official, or to take this meeting with a russian intermediary or russian sint ci who's peddling information about our campaign. that's not what you heard. you hear them peddle conspiracy theories. >> you heard them defend the meeting saying it is their due diligence to talk to anybody who's offering any sort of information on the political opponent. there is a distinction that should be made while the don junio me junior meeting was offered as coming from the russian government. there is no indication right now that this man, although he had a russian accent and was a person of russian descent or russian citizen, this person was coming directly from the russian government in the way the don junior meeting seems to have transpired. mimi, how significant is this likely to be? michael caputo says he was questioned about this qui

caputo. the russian way. anything at all interesting? stone? >> no.and stone claimed the russian national was an fbi informant but the russian denice he was working on behalf of the fbi at the time of the meeting and "the washington post" which also broke the storys there's no evidence to also back up this allegation. joining us to discuss cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor marriotti and former white house phone jim schultz. this is now the third meeting that we know of in which a russian offered dirt on hillary clinton. is this a witch hut or are these meetings something that should be investigated? >> so roger stone is known opposition researcher made his living on that and mace his reputation on that for dole and kemp and reagan and nixon all the way down the line, and a russian reaches out for caputo, according to the reports, and he meets with stone wearing a maga hat, a maga interest shirt, speaking with a russian accent and demands $2 million and stone says it's a waste of time. sounds about right to me. that's what we would expect

roger stone said he had rgotten thisting until michael caputo reminded him. he said this meeting was so ludicrous he had forgotten about it. now both men are claiming they believe henry greenberg was an fbi informant who was sent to essentially entrap them in order to help someone at the department of justice, apparently, infiltrate the trump campaign. rudy giuliani, the president's attorney, weighed in on this this morning on cnn, saying that he didn't totally agree with the idea that henry greenberg was an fbi informant and he called him a strange person. listen to this. >> the most extraordinary thing is on some document he described himself as an informant. every informant i ever had tried to keep that secret. you don't say, oh, i'm an informant, i can come to the united states. it sounds like a very strange guy. was he an fbi informant or not? well, we know from the probe by the inspector general that the fbi at the highest levels here were doing very, very unorthodox things, if not out and out illegal and unethical. so would they be using a guy like thi

caputo then texts, the russian way, anything at all interesting? stone, no.his exchange, of course, in text is a far cry from what the two men said just a year ago. here's stone. >> i didn't talk to anybody who was identifiably russian during the two-year run-up to this campaign. >> and caputo also made his position very clear. here he is speaking to our drew griffin. >> did you bring any russians to that campaign? did you talk about russia, or the possible help the russian government could give the campaign? >> never once. never once. >> definitive. michael caputo is here tonight, he wants to set the record straight and he's "outfront." good to have you back. we've spoken before, you've been a straight shooter when we've talked about these things. your testimony before bob mueller, as just an example. the context here, of course, is forgetting russia links is something we've seen a lot. jeff sessions forgot about meetings with the russian ambassador. jared kushner forgot about the trump tower meeting on his fbi security clearance forms. michael flynn forgot

how crazy is the russian, caputo asks?ording to "the washington post," which revealed the text messages and first broke the news of the meeting. stone replies, wants big money for the info. waste of time. the russian way caputo responds. anything at all interesting? no, stone replies. stone insisted he did not collude with the russians during the campaign. >> where my testimony is both complete and entirely truthful. i'm not involved in any collusion, coordination or conspiracy with the russians or anyone else. there's no evidence to the contrary. >> reporter: both stone and caputo failed to acknowledge the interester acti interaction with the russian when they testified. the public is learning about more meetings members of the trump team had with russians after months of denials and omissions from the white house and those around trump, including donald trump junior, jared kushner and paul manafort. caputo's lawyer says his client was reminded about the meeting in his interview with robert mueller's team last month. in s

so now the lawyers for both stone and caputo have written to congress saying that it wasn't until caputoas questioned by the special counsel that he remembered information about this russian it was stone as well, his lawyer sent a letter saying that it was after caputo's meeting with the special counsel that he remembered this meeting, where russian offered dirt on hillary clinton in exchange for $2 million. stone has called the meeting a waste of time. and significant here, kate, also is that this marks at least the third known meeting between a russian offering dirt on hillary clinton and the trump campaign. you'll recall it was don jr., who met with a russian lawyer, of course, at trump tower and also the former trump campaign adviser george papadopoulos turned fbi informant who met with someone claiming to have dirt on hillary clinton. >> and there is also more in terms of the russia investigation, peter strzok, the fbi agent removed from the -- more text messages learned from the ig report, he's saying through an attorney, he's ready to testify before congress? what are you hearing?

neither caputo nor stone disclosed the meeting to congressional investigators.ieve the meeting was part of a larger effort to try to set up the trump campaign. white house correspondent boris sanchez joining me right now. roger stone claiming to have previously forgotten this meeting even though he was interviewed about it by the mueller team just last month. >> hey there, fred. yeah, roger stone told me it was such a ludicrous meeting that he completely forgot it. he was apparently reminded about it by michael caputo, who had his memory jogged by the special counsel after he says that during an interview with the special counsel he was shown text messages that he exchanged with roger stone abouts meeting with a russian national offering dirt on hillary clinton back in may of 2016. we should point out that both caputo and stone have been asked dozens, perps hundreds of times about potential meetings with russians during the campaign. both of them on just about every occasion denying any meeting, any contact with russians right up until these letters that were se

basically, caputo writes, how crazy is the russian?nd stone replies, he wants big money for the info. waste of time. and then caputo says, the russian -- the ran way, and anything at all interesting to which stone replies no. now, in a letter to congressional investigators, stone's lawyers basically wrote that they only -- that stone remembered this meeting and only learned of this meeting, quote, it was not until after the interview, mueller interviewed mr. caputo that stone had a recollection of the meeting or the person's name. caputo was interviewed extensively by bob mueller's team, and was during the questioning there that this was revealed, apparently what caputo says is mueller knew a lot more about this russian than he even knew. clearly one person who has not been before the special counsel is roger stone. that is stillongoing. we know others have been asked questions about roger stone, and sort of some of his activity during the campaign. >> the special counsel knows the answers to the questions before he asks you those ques

but stone and caputo are this morning leveling accusations of their own.hey say the man they met with was a fbi inform ability. the russian national has also used the name henry oknonski, and claimed to have been an informant, though he told the "washington post" he was not acting on behalf of the fbi when he met with stone. and that he stopped working with the fbi in 2013. the fbi did not comment to the post. this latest twist comes as president trump's former campaign chairman, paul manafort, is currently behind bars, and trump's long-time fixer, michael cohen, is reportedly telling friends he expects to be arrested soon. the pressure building on both to cooperate with the special counsel and prosecutors. now president trump's lawyer, rudy guiliani, is racing the specter of, quote, cleaning up the aftermath of the mueller probe by using presidential pardons. joining me now is president trump's attorney, rudy guiliani. mr. mayor, happy father's day. thanks so much for joining us. >> same to you. >> let's start with that breaking news from the "post." roge

i did not recall an excuse until the general counsel raised this question with mister caputo. i have no memory of this, it was an innocuous exchange. this guy shows up wearing a maga hat, i declined, nothing inappropriate happened and i have now refreshed my memory and informed the subcommittee.gu >> why do you think fbi operatives would have done this? >> we have this jeff helper example, we have be strzok page example. some subset was working against the trump election, was trying to penetrate the trump campaign. i think this was a sting effort. the time i bought it was a clumsy effort to get money and i declined but in all honesty, this was a 20 minute exchange which i do not recall because it was so ridiculous. >> host: would the president consider a pardon for paul manafort? >> guest: i think that's premature. i fthink mister manafort need to go to trial. the president could make that decision at that point . in the case for example of general flynn who has pled that the president should consider a pardon for general flynn. >> host: you are friends with paul manafort. he

shelby, senator shell shel shelly moore-caputo. at the white house on monday.sh, explain what you are reporting tonight that the president is closely monitoring news coverage of what's happening at the border. what's he been telling people in th his inner circle about what he's seeing? >> right, anderson, thanks for having me. on what the president has been saying is he -- he thinks he has been weak on immigration in recent months. here, could be problematic. sorry for the fire truck, anderson. and he says that, you know, he has to do what he can to keep this fight going. this afternoon he demanded the border wall in the oval office meeting. the issue of child separation merely came up. some of his advisers predicted this over the weekend, he may change course, videos and footage of children, all over television, promulgated everywhere. so far that's not occurred. one thing we've found today, a number of his aides have shown him more positive pictures of the children playing video games, exercising outside, not really images you've seen on tv and that's been on

michael caputo was shown his text messages between he and the meeting. and he reminded roger stone.ou have the letters after that. and stone says no information was exchanged between he and greenburg. he said he turned down the offer and never spoke to him again. he never contacted anyone on the trump campaign, including the candidate, about this meeting. we should point out both men are accusing greenburg of being an fbi informant. someone planted to try to trap them. i have askeds white house officials if the president has been made aware of the admission by caputo and stone and if he agrees with the assessment that greenburg may have been a plant for the fbi. we have yet to hear back from the white house. >> boris, thank you. >>> rudy giuliani says president trump will not issue any pardons during the russia investigation. he is not ruling out the possibility once the investigation is over. here is what t president's lawyer told jake tapper on "state of the union." >> the president has issued no pardons in the investigation. the president is not going to issue pardons in the inve

caputo said about all of this tonight. >> this was something that i didn't remember and answered to ation that where i should have responded to this, i said not that i recall. i do recall now -- i recalled it when i was preparing for my testimony before the senate intelligence committee and the mueller team on may 1st and 2nd just last month. >> in a letter to congress, the trump confidante offered dirt from the clinton administration for $2 million. the congressman said he declined that offer. we have gloria borger. >> all we know is that he organized a meeting with roger stone. roger stone meets with him, according to roger stone, and the guy says i've got this dirt on hillary clinton if you'll pay me $2 million for it. we know from the text messages that were exchanged between caputo and stone that stone kind of dismissed him. and of course, this was first reported in the "washington post" over the weekend with stone saying, sorry, donald trump doesn't spend $2 million on anything. >> if nothing came of this, stone's lawyer is arguing, from the lawyer's letter, it's another example

that meeting which took place in may of 2016 was never disclosed in hearings both stone and caputo had with the house intelligence committee. last hour i spoke with one of the reporters on that story. he and his colleagues also interviewed the russian nags ale w national who offered this dirt. >> i think one of the main reasons why they were willing to talk to us about this is because of their contention that the man who approached them might be an inform abiliant for the fbi who sent to set them up and compromise president trump in some way, at that time candidate trump. and two colleagues of mine found a lot of very interesting data about this man. there are documents and a paper trail that show that he has said in official court records that he was an fbi informant for 17 years. he denied that he was sent to this meeting by the fbi or by anyone else. but importantly he confirmed that the meeti ing did take pla and his story matches roger stone's story in very key details right down to the wording of how roger stone reactedo the suggestion that donald trump should pay $2 million for

michael caputo then set up the >> did you see or witness any contact? >> nobody ever asked me about russia. >> nobody ever spoke to me about how russia might help. >> stone said he ultimately did not agree to pay for the dirt on clinton. the president's lawyer rudy giuliani claiming that the president was not aware of the contact. >> no, i haven't talked to roger and he's never talked to the president about it, and where is the collusion? he said it was a waste of time. >> reporter: stone told abc news in a statement, "i never discussed this approach, which i now believe was an fbi set up, with donald trump." stone and caputo both alleging that the meeting was an fbi trap, that greenberg had previously worked as an informant. greenberg told the "post" he hasn't worked with the fbi since 2013. this latest interaction means at least 11 trump associates have admitted to meeting with a russian during the campaign or presidential transition since the mueller investigation began. today the president tweeting, "witch hunt! there was no russian collusion." giul

this contributed to michael capu caputo. if believe that he took tyke off from his long career to reach on the in his spare time, i have a bridge in brooklyn that i want to sell to you. what do you make of this what does it tell you about what was happens in that trump campaign? they don a make america t-shirt and hat and arrange a meeting to be able to pick off roger stone and michael caputo, well, you're dead wrong. here's the bottom line. paul manafort was the trump campaign manager and head of this trump campaign from march of 2016 to august of 2016. what contact does the trump campaign have with the russians during that time in at least george papadopoulos, and now he know mir raw his will you they remember that they had act with a russian national when they previously lied, to house on intel committee members, when they had they never had private contact with russians, then suddenly both of them have memory recall? oh, yay, by the way, we had this meeting, but roger stone is running around saying, it was, so, quote inn

you willee lawmakers, democrats especially, call for caputo and mr. stone to perhaps come back to capitol hill. there's a lot of frustration among some of these congressman that they didn't get the full story and want to learn more to correct the record, if necessary. >> and the other piece of this is peter strzok, prominently featured in the ig report and seized upon by the president and his supporters because of that infamous text between him and lisa page with whom he was romantically inlved. the fbi officials -- he was taken off of the mueller probe when mueller found out about that. but that's what they seized upon, saying it was bias, even though the ig report says there was no bias that affected decisions. but now chris wray is going to be called to testify. so they're really going to go ter the fbi. you saw what trey gowdy said over the weekend to chris wallace. >> sure, there are a couple of pieces here. i'm sure peter strzok regrets those text messages. but the reality is, fbi agents, like everybody else, they have political beliefs. the ins

caputo. stone and michael caputo say they forgot to tell investigators about their contact with a russian national who goes by the name henry greenberg even though they say this greenberg fellow offered to sell incriminating information to the trump campaign for $2 million. well, first of all, how often in life are you just offered $2 million for campaign dirt, so i can see them forgetting. how is mueller likely to approach that story? why didn't you tell us the first time? >> he's likely to approach it as a lie. that's basically what it is. i mean this guy came to them. he was a russian. and caputo knew he was a russian. he set up the meeting with roger stone. roger stone met him. he had a heavy russian accent. he was -- roger stone remembered his accent. he remembered his hat. he remembered his t-shirt. he remembered he offered him $2 million in return for dirt. and then they had text messages exchanged. and then he forgot it all. now what are the chances of that? and suddenly when bob muel

campaign official michael caputo and roger stone claim that was a set up on the campaign.chez has more from the white house. >> reporter: long denied any contact in the 2016 campaign and in separate letters they sent to the intelligence kmcommittee ov the weekend, they acknowledge the meeting with stone and henry greenburg. he was offering dirt on hillary clinton in exchange for $2 million. both men claimed they forgotten by the special counntil reminded michael caputo was shown text messages between he and greenburg. now you have both of them sending off the letters. notably, stone says no information was exchanged between he and greenburg. he turned down the offer and he never spoke to greenburg again. he neverontacted anyone on the trump campaign, including the candidate himself, about this meeting. we should point out that both men are now accusing greenburg of being an fbi informant, someone planted to try to trap them. i asked the white house if they had been made aware of the issue and if he agrees with the assessment that greenburg may have been a plant for the fbi

michael caputo joins us tonight. thank you very much for coming on.those stories that is tantalizing because the facts that we know for certain, or seem to know for certain, it seemed to go to the fbi. he listed the fbi and an fbi agent on an fbi application. he clearly was working in some facet for the fbi. >> he was. right. we do. when i was interviewed by the mueller investigation on may 2nd, i exposed or answered about this greenberg approach in response to a perjury trap. that really angered my interviewer, and his emotional response was a red flag to me. they seem to know more about it than i did. when i got out of my mueller investigation interview, my gofundme for my legal fund went through the roof, and i used some of those funds to hire investigators find out more about henry greenberg. we quickly found out through an immigration and naturalization service filing that he made in 2015 that he signed under oath saying he was an fbi informant for 17 years. also here in iran and north korea, and he provided 14 different fbi informant visas as pr

by both stone and caputo and both men now claim it was all a set up. joining us now is michael caputo, very much the man in the middle of it all. thanks so much for being here. i want to take you back to the summer of 2017. this is after james comey has been fired. this is in the middle of the russia investigation frenzy. everyone's talking about whether or not the trump campaign had any contacts with russia. you go into the house intelligence committee and they ask you if you had any contacts with any russians during the campaign. your answer was no. that wasn't true. how did it slip your mind? >> the answer wasn't no. my answer, i went through a whole litany of contacts. my daughter is russian. many people in my family are russian. people i work with in my business are russian. i'm mostly in the entertainment business, but when it comes down to it, the question that they asked me was, did any russian offer you information about hillary clinton. it was on that line of a question. my answer is, i don't recall. >> that even seems more likely given where

there may be an effort by stone and caputo and others in the stone camp to indeed try to get out of this ahead of time, get their version on the record, have people talk about it, because if it does come to an an ctment in theimt it would be difficult to talk about it then. >> if you had a face-to-face with roger stone, what are the questions you would be asking him? what are the answers you want to hear from a man like roger stone with regards to what you've heard in his contacts with russians? >> i think there's two styles. the first what the russians were trying to do so if we assume that this contact was not innocent and was in fact a directed contact by the russians, then we want to know what the conversation was. we want to know exactly what happened, what they were trying to to and how they made contact and what mode they made context. >> that's very important because it is tells you tactics and intent and the second, of course,ing is what the other panelists have within saying. why not disclose it. if you're at an airport and someone says will you carry bag on to the plane for me

michael caputo to -- caputo arranged the meeting. >>> a hearing today in the trial of five sex assault suspects after a protest in berkeley turned violent. the five defendants are facing misdemeanor assault charges. they were counter protesters who showed up to protest her right ring rally in celtic center -- civic center in march of last year. >>> homes could be at risk of soon being underwater, literally, according to a report released today. katie nielsen is live in san mateo with what this all means. >> reporter: we are here at a waterfront office complex in san mateo. this entire area could be underwater in our lifetime. take a look at these maps. you can see it shows predictions for what areas are at risk of flooding in 2045 if sea levels continue to rise. fast forward another 50 years, this is what it could look like at the end of the century. 20,000 homes could be at risk with a total real estate value of $15 billion. the report is based on current federal figures which show the sea level could raise in the next 30 years. a number of counties could be impacted including marin,

caputo. he shows up wearing a trump t-shirt i declined and any appropriate happened and then to inform the committee. >> why would they have done this? w - we have the peter exchanges some sets ofhe that was working against the trump election with the trunk campaign. this was a sting effort ate the time and i declined but in all honesty this 20 minute exchange because it was so ridiculous. >> but what about paul manafort? >> we think he does need to go to trial in the president can make that decision. >> in the case of general flynn that he should consider a pardon. >> he is your former partner when is the last time you talk to? >> it has been a couple weeks now obviously i feel very badly for him. it is difficult to prepare for trial from a jail cell. those hardball tactics are obvious but we have not spoken in several weeks. >> what did he sound like? where is is mine mom -- mind lexi mccain just to go to trial not willing to testify against the president in any way that is damaging to the

stone and caputo both alleging that it was an fbi trap.berg had previously worked as an informant. he told the post he hasn't worked fbi since 2013. the latest means that 11 trump associates admitted to having contact with russians during the campaign. the president tweeting witch hunt. there was no russian collusion. giuliani says it is meuller's team that is showing bias. >> this is a case where it's crying out for someone to investigate the investigators. >> reporter: stone said he's not concerned that he didn't mention the meeting to congressional investigators. he told me, quote, i just didn't remember. 2016 was a very busy year. he said that his lawyer sent a followup letter correcting his testimony. tara palmieri, abc news, the white house. >>> rudy giuliani says the president is not planning to pardon campaign chief manafort or anyone else now. but he could pardon people once the investigation is over. especially if he decides that people were prosecuted for political purposes. >>> florida is dealing with a different problem. nearl

he met with roger stone and caputo. >> this gentleman presented himself as an individual, not a person from the government of russia. then if you read "the washington post" article, he was offering private information from a former employee of the clinton foundation. this isn't an approach from a government at all, except it's an approach from a united states government. first they say they forgot, then they say the meeting was of no consequence. >> well, the meetings just keep on rolling, don't they? >> well, the meetings keep unrolling, don't they, don? this is, what, number 14, i guess, in the latest count. roger stone's recovered memory certainly took a little while to get recovered, and might be helped by the fact that the house intelligence committee is already targeting him for potential false testimony. so i think he might want to clean up everything he can. >> yep. you're right. 14, paul manafort, trump jr., george papadopoulos, carter page, jeff sessions, j.d. gordon, michael flynn, robert prince, rick gates, michael cohen and michael caputo. 14, count them, there they have u

roger stone has not met with robert mueller's team, but michael caputo does, and in preparation for thisew, he recalled this interaction with this russian. this russian claimed to be an fbi informant in court filings. that has roger stone very worked up. he is saying he was illegally surveilled. he is saying this was all a setup by the fbi to entrap another member of trump's team. i'm going to bring you a portion of i multi-statement from roger stone. he said, so the real question is not why i failed to remember an innocent meeting, it's the fbi was using an informant to set me up. >> is the fbi saying anything? >> we have not heard from the fbi on these accusations, either. >> nice to see you, sara. thanks very much. i really appreciate it. >>> thanks so much for joining me. "inside politics" with the one, the only john king starts right now. >>> thank you, kate. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day with us. the white house is defiant but facing a growing public revolt at its policy of separating families at the border. >>> china up in arms. the pr

stone and caputo are using to make their case here. >> well, it does seem like he was perhaps providingmation over the years. however it's also being reported that he also stopped providing information, about you yasmin, let me tell you why roger stone has sort of belied this claim we often here about well, the fbi has setting us up. if he really believed this was an fbi setup, he would have marched into the house intelligence committee and screamed it from the rooftops. he would have said, know what? we're being set up. this meeting was being offered to us, and it's obviously nefariously being orchestrated. he didn't do that. instead he concealed it only when he was cause and we now now he was about to be caught, because michael could pew on, the communication officer for the campaign, had told this to bob mueller's investigative team. roger stone was about to be caught red-handed, so he now falls back on, you know what? it was an fbi setup. if they believed that, that's what he would have told the house intelligence committee. reasonable stone may very well end up having a fifth amend

michael caputo also with us with his personal story involving all of this. straight ahead. buttons clicking] [ camera shutter clicks ] so, now that you have a house, you can use homequote explorer. quiet. i'm blasting my quads. janice, look. i'm in a meeting. -janice, look. -[ chuckles ] -look, look. -i'm looking. it's easy. you just answer some simple questions online, and you get coverage options to choose from. you're ruining my workout. cycling is my passion. >> sean: breaking news tonight, house judiciary committee is going to subpoena trump-hating fbi agent peter strzok over the weekend. over the weekend, the president wrote on twitter: "why was the fbi's sick loser, peter strzok, working on the totally discredited mueller team of 13 angry and conflicted democrats, when strzok was giving crooked hillary a free pass yet telling his lover, lawyer lisa page, that "we'll stop" trump from becoming president? witch hunt!" joining us with reaction, former trump campaign aide michael caputo, author of the upcoming book "why we fight." fellow i guess you could say singaporean

caputo was saying they got hundreds of thousands in separate donations. urpr viewer that rs that all these tough guys with all their tough talk at the end of the day they don't have enough money to get through the early pre-potentially preindictment phase of this legal fight. >> these are expensive endevours. the lawyers working for michael cohen andhese other individuals are high priced lawyers working in the biggest city in the world, if not the country. they will chew up and go through ate really quickly. whether there is a dispute with his lawyer oefs over the way th defense was being mounted or a fee dispute or cooperation, we don't know. if it's on the cooperation side, this is something that we as a prosecutor we used to call thenowball effect. you start to get one twor cooperator yours your side, you good. you get to four or five and you get the snowball down the hill. finally that snowball landed on your ta head at the bottom of the hill paul manafort has got to be sweating it a bits well. michael cohen may have information about him as well. thi

caputo in a memory, i had no memory of this. it was an innocuous exchange this guy shows up wearing a maga hat and trump t-shirt. he makes this offer, i decline, nothing inappropriate happened here. and i have now refreshed my memory and informed the committee. host: why do you think f.b.i. operatives would have done this? guest: well, we have the helper example, the strock page exchanges. very clearly the f.b.i. or at least some subset of it was working against the trump election, was trying to penetrate the trump campaign. i think this was a sting effort. at the time, i thought it was a clumsy effort just to get money , and i declined. but in all honesty, this was a 20-minute exchange which i did not recall because it was so ridiculous. host: should the president consider a pardon for paul man afort? guest: i think that premature. i think mr. manafort needs to go to trial. the president could make that decision at that point. in the case for example of general flynn, who has pled, i think the president should consider a pardon

caputo has a difficult juggling act ahead of him.ket expectations and get confidence back in the central bank. it remains to be seen if he can convince markets that he is a sound operator of monetary policy. is one thing to be a good communicator and have the background, but what are the actual policies and money changes that investors will need to see? as we saw today we got a 2% peso rally off the bat. it was evaporated in the blink of an eye. because none of this is doing much. >> that is a major question ahead for caputo and the team he is putting together. think about this. the previous central bank president pulled out all the stops. he hiked interest rates, sold reserves, set a floor for the peso. and they got the imf deal just last week. it remains to be seen what tools and instruments he can use that haven't already been used. the only difference to bring the two men is the market state. as a wall street stud who knows how to translate and week his language. patrick lessyou to be. scarlet: we have heard from stern us which s

caputo and stone are spinning this about impropriety on the part of the government. he has a history of being an fbi informant. they were wondering if he was working a as an fbi informant at the time. this was two months before james comey said the trump/russia investigation began. if he was, the fbi would have some questions to answer. so far there was no evidence he was. >> would the fbi have something to answer or would this be the thing that potentially prompted them to open the russia probe? >> to run an informant at a senior aide in a mainstream presidential campaign would be a big decision requiring top level approvals even in the justice department. they wouldn't have done it on a whim or gone fishing. they might have had good cause to do it, even at moment, two months before the formal investigation began. it is something the republicans are trying to raise, throwing up smoke and suggesting this was improper. why didn't they warn us about trump/russia influence on the campaign and instead of targeting us. >> it was weird they kept going after hillary clinton

so, earlier this month we saw a report in the washington post that said that michael caputo and roger stone two early trump campaign advisors had just remembered miraculously that they had encountered yet another russian who offered them dirt on hillary clinton in early may or late may of 2016. and now they say that in order to kind of explain this interaction and why they didn't r'ri ve reveal it sooner is because they thought that person was sent to them by the fbi to entrap them. the reason it is easy to make this argument and make it stick is because this guy was an fbi informant. he helped the fbi between 2008 and 2012. he does have that history with the fbi. but the second more likely reason because this russian stopped actually working with the fbi more than three years before he even approached caputo and stone is because the president has laid the groundwork for this, because he has said that the fbi was targeting him with spies and placed them in his campaign. >> again, if there was nothing to see, the spies and the informants wouldn't be there. my thanks to ken dilanian, ha

. >> so this was only revealed after mueller had the text messages and asked caputo about it, correct? >> michael caputo said he only had it when his lawyer was reviewing text messages, but he was asked about it in early may by mueller. he had to talk about it at that point, which he did. and they have amended their testimonies before congress, but what they're clearly trying to do, anderson, is get out in front of this story and say, look, the story that we forgot this stuff, we didn't perjure ourselves, we forgot it. but what they're seeing is this greenberg man was actually a plant from the fbi and that this was really a sting operation on them. so they're saying, wait a minute, you have to look at what the fbi is doing, don't look at us. and, you know, this person actually did have a history of working for the fbi for a bunch of years, but apparently it ended in 2013. they're saying, no, it didn't, he was used by the fbi to try and frame us, and that didn't work, obviously. >> and the fbi, have they said anything about this? >> no. they never tell you who their informants are, as

. >> that was former trump campaign adviser michael caputo on this show last night saying that a keyussian contact escaped his mind when he testified under oath before the house intelligence committee. according to mr. caputo he and his associate roger stone had the same inability to remember that a russian haimed henry greenberg offered to sell them dirt on hoda kotb in 2016. here's how stone described his memory lapse the other day. >> i had no memory of this is was an innocuous exchange. this guy shows up wearing a megahat and trump t-shirt, makes this offer i decline nothing inappropriate happened here and i have now refreshed my committee and informed the committee. >> refresh my memory as an active verb. >> rudy giuliani also downplayed the significance of the disclosure because he says nothing ultimately claim of the meeting. >> it seems to me however, whatever the recollection differingrections about this it sort of gets resolved with the fact stone did nothing about it, came to the conclusion according to post it was a waste of time. he and greenberg came to the conclusion i

mike caputo saying the same thing. help us understand the scrutiny he is under here as the special counsel's investigation continues. >> roger stone was part of the trump campaign. he then lost that role or has remained as sort of unofficial close advisor or supporter of trump continually. he had some interactions with wikileaks and he also posted something that suggested that he may have known ahead of time that something was coming about podesta's e-mails. so he's been under intense scrutiny as part of what is now the mueller investigation. he's suggested that maybe he might even be indicted over something, though he says that that might be unrelated to russian collusion. he is a long-standing political operative, sort of notorious for his gleeful embrace of the dirty tricks side of politics, going back many, many, many years. a very colorful character in american politics. and now his story may be reaching a climax. >> charlie savage, washington correspondent for "the new york times" and barbara mcquaid from the uni

. >> how about as it regards to michael caputo? >> i wasn't there so i can only answer questions that we direct to the fbi and have them -- you're there now, right? -- >> you're there now, right? have you asked these questions of anyone? >> we have conveyed the questions that chairman nunes has raised. >> you could understand why that if the department of justice represented to a court that this investigation began on july 31 and the fact that you can't tell me definitively that before july 31 there was not intelligence collected on the trump campaign that that's something of great interest to us. >> congressman, i think you should understand there's nobody more commuted to rooting out abuse and misconduct than i. we talk with the fbi, take those seriously and if we find it we'll produce that to chairman nunes. >> thank you, let's do that quickly. let's get to your determination . i asked when you became aware that nellie orr, the wife of your associate deputy attorney genebr

stone and caputo both alleging that it was an fbi trap. that greenburg reportedly worked as an informant. the latest interaction means at least 11 trump associates admitted to having contact with the russians during the campaign or presidential transition since the mueller investigation again. today the president tweeting witch hunt there was no russian collusion. >> this is a case where it's crying out for someone to investigate the investigators. >>> people in a town in western massachusetts have solved what they thought was a crime. flags began disappearing from veterans' graves, it was reported to workers who would replace the flags but then find them gone again. the mystery was solved when someone saw a flag disappear. the culprit a woodchuck. >> i saw him jump on the flag and pull it out of the holder. >> residents are thankful it wasn't a cruel act of vandalism. >> in san juan where people are looking to size down where they live. at least one shopper believes buying a tiny house and moving out of california can be more affordable t