close with ben carden of the house. knows bipartisanship but he is a loyalist and he is a real key player. >> warner: now the house democrats, norm i will begin with you but maybe combine it. do we see any mavericks here? javier was era, james clyburn and chris van holden. >> all key people in the leadership close cho-- chosen by pelosi because of their persons, van holden is the ranking democrat on the budget committee at the talks. clyburn also at the talks. becara almost became trade representative. smart shall savvy pros, leaders, they're to the going to diverge very much from what pelosi wants or what the caucus wants but they've all indicated a willingness to cut a deal. >> warner: becera was on simpson bowles also. and yes, these are all people-- . >> warner: so he voted no. >> he voted no, you about he was there. and when it am cans down to a deal like this, when you have such a compact time frame, knowing the landscape as you go in is really important. and though these people are close to the leadership, they h