not everyone in the catholic church agrees with cardinal dolan, author said as a catholic priest i can say it is embarrassing to have a cardinal so blatantly and embarrassingly trying to associate trump with the worst kinds of racism imaginable. joining us now jessica tarlov and washington examiner investigative reporter sarah westwood. good to have you both here. >> thanks for having us. lou: first your thoughts on dolan stepping into this and deciding he's a political operative? >> right, well, i think it's a little surprising he used such strong language to talk about donald trump. he's accusing donald trump of basically being akin to the kkk with his language about immigration. that was a little harsh. the other was equally harsh when he apologized to america on behalf of the catholic church. lou: he also said that dolan isn't very smart and he's more than a little arrogant. >> yeah, there's a whole thing obviously going on in the catholic church they can't comment on. i'm only here to comment on donald trump. lou: that's the only thing you're going to comment on? >> i'm going to t