and we got word cardinal egan said i don't want that fbi agent and that skirt coming to new york. that is the kind of pushback that we got. . . . . of lincoln, nebraska. he's been replaced and they are participating in the audit. the interesting point is all his brothers were participating and the fact that he declined, there was no consequence whatsoever. i was wondering where the people were in his diocese that were insisting that they had external audits and if there was a point we all wanted to make being here today it is first of all to thank all of you for being interested and hopefully activists on these issues and making certain that your respective bishops or archbishops or cardinals, whatever they might want to be as well as the provincials of the religious communities because a third of the priests in the country are members of religious communities and not necessarily associated with the diocese. we would hope you would continue to make your voices heard about things going on that either you don't understand or that you think need to be corrected within the church. wha

to go to new york and a member of the board was the lawyer for new york and we got - word that cardinal egan he was from chicago but he's really from oak park said i don't want that fbi agent with the skirt coming into new york. that's the kind of pushback that we got. i know kathleen went around to investigate and not everybody cooperated. >> correct. first let me finish on what you said but i did go to new york and i probably wore a skirt. [laughter] that there was a bishop who declined to take part over several years that was the bishop of nebraska he has since been replaced and they are participating in the audit but an interesting point is that all his brother bishops were participating in the fact that he declined there was no neconsequence whatsoever. so i was wondering where the laypeople that were not insisting that they have an external audit and if there is a point that we wanted to make by us being here today is first of all, to think all of you as laypersons to be interested and hopefully activist on these issues and to make certain your respective bishops or archbishops or card

to new york and the member of the board was pamela hey, lawyer in new york and we got word that cardinal eganwho was actually he would like to say he's from chicago but he is from old park. i don't want the fbi agent in a skirt coming to new york. that is the kind of pushback we got. i know kathleen as she went around to investigate not all the diocese cooperate. is that right? >> first let me finish. i did not go to new york and it didn't matter. and i probably wore a skirt, to. [laughter] there were or a bishop who declined to take part in the audits for some years and that was the bishop of lincoln, nebraska who has since been replaced and dissipating in the audits. and a real interest in point is because they were his brother bishops were participating in the pacu decline -- there were no consequence whatsoever. i was wondering where the laypeople were in the diocese that were insisting that they have the external audit. if there is a point i think we all wanted to make by a speedier today it is first of all to thank all of you as laypersons for being interested in hopefully activists on