when i asked him with of a long quotation from cardinal newman who he just recommended to the pope and supported very wicked in my view quotation and i wanted to know if he thought the catholic church was the one true church it was quite strange he didn't come up to fight me on that. you could not tell from anything he said if he was a roman catholic adult. he could have been a very weak sort of christian socialist liberal who basically says christianity is okay because it makes people do good work and give money to charity. it has nothing to do with the relevant to the truth of the matter. so, but he's a ma he is a man wi sympathize in other ways and i never will -- i know a little bit of it for quite some time so it was an interesting debate. excuse me. sorry. c-span: the first interview i ever conducted with you is november 71983. it was a call-in show and i want to just run one minute and 24 seconds and then we will talk about this. i think journalists have lost the ability based on the past performance of the american people are speaking out now. i just feel that without any type