liturgy of lament and repentance at dublin's pro-cathedral, the archbishop of dublin and boston's cardinal o'malley prostrated themselves, asking god and the victims for forgiveness. but it hasn't been enough. >> people are still waiting, i think, for the kind of great atonement and the kind of fundamental change that will convince them that things have changed. there isn't enough evidence yet that things have fundamentally changed. >> it is a crisis, and it's not one of the future. it is one of right now. it's quite extraordinary an organization as big and as -- ancient as the church that we cannot face a crisis that's right at our doorsteps and be able to talk realistically about it. >> the kind of change father flannery advocates would be dramatic. >> opening up the ministry of the church to l people, to married people, to priests, ah, to women. in other words, not confining it to the male celibate priesthood as we've had in the past, because clearly that is not working now so we have to begin to think in different ways, but the vatican is increasingly forbidding any discussion on that. >> still