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. >> i just had this feeling as i was rushing from cardinal o'malley's mass to cardinal dolan's mass, you had to see these events because you wanted to judge the crowd, you wanted to judge the energy in the crowd. i was stunned at o'malley's mass. first of all, a side altar was completely filled with cameras, like three rows of cameras that you see in the last days of a presidential campaign. and the people in the pews were italians. they wanted to see cardinal o'malley, who's been a big hit over in italy, because he comes across as a very humble person. they like his robes, they like his sandals. they think that might be a good change in the leadership of the catholic church for show more humility. on the other side you have cardinal dolan, like this gregarious irish paul six and charmed his parish. they gave him a big round of applause afterwards. as all the reporters rushed out, all the italians stayed in the church and he kissed every baby, shook every hand, took a million pictures. it had that campaign-style feel. >> he actually hugged and kissed a nun and i tried to talk to her
. >> i just had this feeling as i was rushing from cardinal o'malley's mass to cardinal dolan's mass, you had to see these events because you wanted to judge the crowd, you wanted to judge the energy in the crowd. i was stunned at o'malley's mass. first of all, a side altar was completely filled with cameras, like three rows of cameras that you see in the last days of a presidential campaign. and the people in the pews were italians. they wanted to see cardinal o'malley, who's been a big...
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an american pope has always been considered a long shut, but one of the candidates is cardinal o'malley, archbishop of boston. and we asked jim axelrod to tell us more about him. >> reporter: leave it to others to point to cardinal o'malley as a papal contender. he's having none of it. >> i haven't lost any sleep about it and i have -- (laughs) i have bought a round trip ticket so -- (laughter) i'm counting on coming home. >> reporter: that hasn't stopped prominent american catholics from making o'malley's case. former miami mayor javier suarez worked with o'malley in poor hispanic neighborhoods during the 1970s. >> i don't think he would deviate on doctrinal matters but he would -- i think he would change a lot of the pastoral things, the role of women in church activities. i think it would increase a lot. the role of lay people. >> reporter: o'malley speaks six languages, worked in latin america, and belongs to the capuchin order known for simplicity. >> we have this simple one-piece tunic with hood attached. >> reporter: brother celestino arias lives in a boston priory friary o'malle
an american pope has always been considered a long shut, but one of the candidates is cardinal o'malley, archbishop of boston. and we asked jim axelrod to tell us more about him. >> reporter: leave it to others to point to cardinal o'malley as a papal contender. he's having none of it. >> i haven't lost any sleep about it and i have -- (laughs) i have bought a round trip ticket so -- (laughter) i'm counting on coming home. >> reporter: that hasn't stopped prominent american...
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cardinal o'malley, also very well liked for his quietness and humble spirit. he is a monk, and i think -- a friar, and i think that one of the things about him is that if they're really looking at some of the controversies in the church, including the sex abuse scandal, he as gone into three different disees and been asked to deal with it, and generally got good reviews. he does have his critics, a almost everyone who has been involved in trying to work with the sex abuse scandal does, but if they're going into that conclave and looking at the controversy surrounding the church, then cardinal o'malley is certainly someone who is getting some attention, andrea. >>> and here we have a situation where the archbishop of los angeles now been named as one of the people in a almost $10 million payment from the archdiocese in the last 24 hours, in terms of the victims of the scandal out there. he's a voting member of the conclave. so this has to be an issue. >> reporter: coming into this there was another cardinal, because originally there were 117 voting cardinals. o
cardinal o'malley, also very well liked for his quietness and humble spirit. he is a monk, and i think -- a friar, and i think that one of the things about him is that if they're really looking at some of the controversies in the church, including the sex abuse scandal, he as gone into three different disees and been asked to deal with it, and generally got good reviews. he does have his critics, a almost everyone who has been involved in trying to work with the sex abuse scandal does, but if...
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cardinal o'malley in boston has a lot more support than cardinal dolan has. am i right? >> yeah, and don't you love by the way, cardinal o'malley out of boston, cardinal dolan out of new york. somehow we still made this a boston and new york rivalry all the way, thousands of miles away. how do we do that one. you're right, but it's primarily because cardinal dolan in a lot of people's opinions is too american. he loves baseball, he loves beer and he loves being loud. for a lot of people, cardinals in the church, that's a little bit shocking to them, quite frankly. cardinals sometimes are a little bit more like this, not like this, and cardinal o'malley's a great man but also maybe fits this characteristic a little bit better. also important to keep in mind he oftentimes wears the brown habit. you usually see him wearing a brown habit which is reminiscent of another very famous saint here in italy by the name of padre pio. italians love padre pio. same outfit. maybe a correlation there. >> reverend, as the tension mounts over the next few days, we have no idea, they could
cardinal o'malley in boston has a lot more support than cardinal dolan has. am i right? >> yeah, and don't you love by the way, cardinal o'malley out of boston, cardinal dolan out of new york. somehow we still made this a boston and new york rivalry all the way, thousands of miles away. how do we do that one. you're right, but it's primarily because cardinal dolan in a lot of people's opinions is too american. he loves baseball, he loves beer and he loves being loud. for a lot of people,...
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or might that pope be cardinal o'malley of boston, whose humble capuchin robes and leadership in the wake of the nationwide sexual abuse scandals have endeared him to his fellow electors? while neither claims to want the job -- >> that's just way too out of the realm of probability. >> i have bought a round-trip ticket. so -- >> reporter: their candidacies are a sign of a race that has no clear front-runner. >> cardinal o'malley and cardinal dolan are already quite popular here in italy. there's already a sort of fan clubs around the two of them. >> reporter: still the 28 italian cardinals represent by far, the biggest voting bloc by nationality. true to form, they're thought to be pushing for an italian pope. but as the multitude of languages that we hear today, suggest on the eve of the conclave, vatican city is not italy. the world's catholics are arriving to see the election of a new pope. for the first time, they may see that pope hail from latin or north america. could that many cardinal scherer of brazil. or cardinal ouellet of canada? two candidates who work in the vatican. >
or might that pope be cardinal o'malley of boston, whose humble capuchin robes and leadership in the wake of the nationwide sexual abuse scandals have endeared him to his fellow electors? while neither claims to want the job -- >> that's just way too out of the realm of probability. >> i have bought a round-trip ticket. so -- >> reporter: their candidacies are a sign of a race that has no clear front-runner. >> cardinal o'malley and cardinal dolan are already quite...
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because back here at home, certainly, the media has been talking about cardinal o'malley and cardinalotentially being in the running, but they've also been getting some favorable press overseas. >> they really have. and especially the italians seem to be really fond of cardinal sean o'malley of boston. they like the fact that he is a monk. that he wears robes and sandals. they like his humble presence, and they seem to think that might be a good option for the next pope. let me talk about some other people who are getting a lot of play here. the italian newspapers speculate that the person going into the conclave with the most votes is cardinal scola, who is the archbishop of milan. but they say that he is far short of the 77 votes needed the to become the next pope. other people being talked about, cardinal scherra, who is the archbishop of sao paulo, the largest catholic diocese in the world. mark ouellet, the former archbishop of quebec. he is now based here in the vatican. he is the head of the congregation of bishops. and along with cardinal dolan from new york and cardinal o'mal
because back here at home, certainly, the media has been talking about cardinal o'malley and cardinalotentially being in the running, but they've also been getting some favorable press overseas. >> they really have. and especially the italians seem to be really fond of cardinal sean o'malley of boston. they like the fact that he is a monk. that he wears robes and sandals. they like his humble presence, and they seem to think that might be a good option for the next pope. let me talk about...
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you the buzz in the street. >> hear from that american, his host mother, they are hoping it's cardinal o'malley. cardinal timothy dolan had gotten a lot of press before this conclave began but o'malley really does seem to be getting a lot of attention. >> i think it's a combination of two things. one is the franciscan bit. which is a religious order founded by francis of assisi and for italians who are used to thinking of clerics, and particularly cardinals, as aloof and aristocratic and given to intrigue, the franciscans are the polar opposite of that. they're simple, humble, close to the people. dolan, however, is very intense. >> and cardinal o'malley has received credit here for his handling of some of the sex abuse scandal/ >> absolutely. he profiles as a reformer, not from his record in boston, but the two diocese he's been in before he faced similar problems on a smaller scale and had a similar track record as a reformist. >> we're getting word there will be a presser from the vatican at 1:00 p.m. local, 8:00 a.m. eastern standard time. we'll be monitoring that, if anything significant t
you the buzz in the street. >> hear from that american, his host mother, they are hoping it's cardinal o'malley. cardinal timothy dolan had gotten a lot of press before this conclave began but o'malley really does seem to be getting a lot of attention. >> i think it's a combination of two things. one is the franciscan bit. which is a religious order founded by francis of assisi and for italians who are used to thinking of clerics, and particularly cardinals, as aloof and...
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i spoke to cardinal o'malley about some of the challenges the church faces in the light of sexual abuseere's what he said about the task. >> one of the things that we hope to do with the catholics come home is to help people to realize the many wonderful things that are happening in our faith community. and our commitment to social justice, to the service of the poor, to health care, to outreach, to refugees, to the homeless. and will recognize in our faith community a wonderful force for good in society. >> of course, but we've announced today that cardinal bergoglio of argentina has been appointed pope francis i. stay with us. we have much more ahead. bacon?! gotta get that bacon! bacon?! bacon? bacon! who wants a beggin' strip? meee! i'd get it myself but i don't have thumbs! yum, yum, yum, yum, yum... it's bacon!!! mmmmm...i love you. i love bacon. i love you. [ male announcer ] there's no time like beggin' time. you don't decide when vegetables reach the peak of perfection. the vegetables do. at green giant, we pick vegetables only when they're perfect. then freeze them fast so the
i spoke to cardinal o'malley about some of the challenges the church faces in the light of sexual abuseere's what he said about the task. >> one of the things that we hope to do with the catholics come home is to help people to realize the many wonderful things that are happening in our faith community. and our commitment to social justice, to the service of the poor, to health care, to outreach, to refugees, to the homeless. and will recognize in our faith community a wonderful force for...
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some such as boston's cardinal sean o'malley took the time to sit alone in prayer. e by one, the cardinals walked down the aisle before taking individual oaths to obey the rules of the conclave, which demand the utmost secrecy. if they ever break their silence, they risk excommunication. cardinal dolan, now thought to be a considerable contender, gave a final radio dispatch from rome before heading into conclave himself. >> it's a unique, special morning. i never thought i'd be doing what i'm about to do. >> reporter: the last words we'll hear from him for a while. >> extra omenes. >> reporter: everyone out, and with that, the doors closed, the work of choosing a pope would truly begin. >> there's a sanctity in the air that they're trying to see who does it belong to, among these 115 cardinals? who is the person who is holy? and that's the toughest judgement of all. and when the world sees white smoke, inside the sistine chapel the dean of cardinals will ask the newly elected pope if he accepts the result. and if he does, he is from that moment, the new pope and choo
some such as boston's cardinal sean o'malley took the time to sit alone in prayer. e by one, the cardinals walked down the aisle before taking individual oaths to obey the rules of the conclave, which demand the utmost secrecy. if they ever break their silence, they risk excommunication. cardinal dolan, now thought to be a considerable contender, gave a final radio dispatch from rome before heading into conclave himself. >> it's a unique, special morning. i never thought i'd be doing what...
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cardinal sean emo'malley. let's listen. [ speaking latin ] >> sean o'malley. interestingly, we know for sure this is the first time that americans have ever been in the dialogue for who could be pope. the attraction is, as i understand, cardinal o'malley, he has done hard line reform on things that are very important in the general congregation, yes? >> i think for church insiders that's certainly the appeal. he profiles as reformer on the child sexual abuse scandals not because of the reclamation operation he had to do in boston but prior to that he had been in two smaller diocese that had two similar difficulties. i think his popular appeal on streets of rome is something else. i think it's because he's a franciscan, wears the simple brown franciscan habit, the beard, the simplicity of the man. in this country, franciscans are rock stars. they are seen as the complete polar opposite of the clerical stereotypes of power and prestige and all of that. they're considered simple, humble men of the people. interesting footnote of o'malley, if elected the first bea
cardinal sean emo'malley. let's listen. [ speaking latin ] >> sean o'malley. interestingly, we know for sure this is the first time that americans have ever been in the dialogue for who could be pope. the attraction is, as i understand, cardinal o'malley, he has done hard line reform on things that are very important in the general congregation, yes? >> i think for church insiders that's certainly the appeal. he profiles as reformer on the child sexual abuse scandals not because of...
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an american cardinal sean o'malley of boston is getting a lot of support from latin american cardinals part of the world has been ignored by rome. this as american catholics increasingly express their desire for a more open and contemporary church. a new "washington post"/abc news poll reveals 55% of them believe priests should be allowed to marry. and 58% say it's time to allow women to join the priesthood. chris jansing, host of msnbc's "jansing & co" joins us live again from rome. chris, in addition to ardcardin o'malley, new york's archbishop, timothy dolan is attracting attention. are some of the candidates somewhat undermined by the sex abuse scandal that has roiled so many american diocese? >> reporter: good evening, martin. i think not. and here's the reason why. let's take the case of cardinal o'malley who has been at three separate diocese as head of those diocese, and in all of them he has been tasked with cleaning up the sex abuse mess and has gotten generally high marks in fallriver, massachusetts, palm beach, and of course now in boston. timothy dolan has been someone who
an american cardinal sean o'malley of boston is getting a lot of support from latin american cardinals part of the world has been ignored by rome. this as american catholics increasingly express their desire for a more open and contemporary church. a new "washington post"/abc news poll reveals 55% of them believe priests should be allowed to marry. and 58% say it's time to allow women to join the priesthood. chris jansing, host of msnbc's "jansing & co" joins us live...
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. >> reporter: the italian press named three potential front runners including boston cardinal sean o'malley, brazil's odilo scherer and italy's angelo scola. but analysts say it's all speculation until the voting begins. if those top contenders names don't start to emerge with 77 votes after the first few rounds, insiders are telling us alternatives could pop up and those alternatives could include american cardinals o'malley and dolan. it could be 8:00 p.m. but unlikely it will only take one round. back to you. >>> in afghanistan five american service members died in a helicopter crash. the chopper crashed last night in southern afghanistan outside kandahar city. there was no apparent enemy activity at the time. the crash is under investigation. >>> a navy jet crashed in washington state killing all three crew members. the jet used for electronic warfare was on a low level training mission. it plowed into a field 50 miles west of spokane monday morning. >>> the city of new york says it will appeal a decision by a state judge blocking a ban on big sugary drinks. city officials say the regul
. >> reporter: the italian press named three potential front runners including boston cardinal sean o'malley, brazil's odilo scherer and italy's angelo scola. but analysts say it's all speculation until the voting begins. if those top contenders names don't start to emerge with 77 votes after the first few rounds, insiders are telling us alternatives could pop up and those alternatives could include american cardinals o'malley and dolan. it could be 8:00 p.m. but unlikely it will only...
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cardinal timothy dolan and sean o'malley are emerging as the front-runners among the reformers reallye are the cardinals that are not too linked with the vatican because they haven't spent so much time here or they haven't covered any major role inside. they are seen as the outsiders with an outreach view that could internationalize, bring a breath of fresh air inside the roman courier so it can take away that power in the hands of the italians for so long, that has been so much criticized by detractors from around the world. specially cardinals from around the world including south america, asia, and africa. so they are the front-runners on that faction while the opposite front-runner, from the old guard, if we may call it that way, is the italian cardinal angelo scola. there is what we believe is going on and this is what we believe is being voted as we speak right now inside the sistine chapel. we don't believe that it, a winner will come out tonight. of course, it is too early for that. >> and claudio, let me ask you, is it the western media playing up the role of the american car
cardinal timothy dolan and sean o'malley are emerging as the front-runners among the reformers reallye are the cardinals that are not too linked with the vatican because they haven't spent so much time here or they haven't covered any major role inside. they are seen as the outsiders with an outreach view that could internationalize, bring a breath of fresh air inside the roman courier so it can take away that power in the hands of the italians for so long, that has been so much criticized by...
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. >> right now, here in rome, everybody is talking about cardinal o'malley who went in after cardinalw, who did a miserable job, cleaned house and began a reform in that archdiocese based on what he had seen. there's an example right there of someone who could be our next pope who took this issue seriously. >> father cutie? >> well, i think the world of of cardinal mahoney and of cardinal o'malley. they are all men of the church. and i think in many ways, the institutional church has invited people, throughout the years. and this is founded in christ and in others, that it was well documented with the founder that the church knew of these things and didn't want to talk about it and didn't want to say it because they wanted to protect the image of the church. the church needs to own up to what is going on. priests, in many parts of the world are frustrated. they don't see vatican two as something that is a priority anymore. it's something of the past. they would like to see more women in positions of leadership and see a church that speaks to the 21st century in a new way. that had not
. >> right now, here in rome, everybody is talking about cardinal o'malley who went in after cardinalw, who did a miserable job, cleaned house and began a reform in that archdiocese based on what he had seen. there's an example right there of someone who could be our next pope who took this issue seriously. >> father cutie? >> well, i think the world of of cardinal mahoney and of cardinal o'malley. they are all men of the church. and i think in many ways, the institutional...
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including sean cardinal o'malley from boston.al o'malley issued a statement following the papal election it reads in part the world will greatly benefit from pope francis witnessing jesus' call for us to love god and love one another. the president of the u.s. conference of catholic bishops timothy cardinal dollan of new york also gave his blessing saying the bishops of the united states thank god for the guidance of the holy spirit and the inspired choils of the college of cardinals. julie banderas live from saint patrick's cathedral in new york. what are new yorkers saying about the new pope? >> well, you know, shep, you just mentioned a couple of american cardinals. actually for the very first time ever an american cardinal was considered a possibility for the elected pope. that, of course, did not turn out to be the case. here cardinal timothy dollan was obviously a first pick for new yorkers. none the less here in the melting pot here at saint patrick's cathedral argentinians loyal and very excited ones could not be happier
including sean cardinal o'malley from boston.al o'malley issued a statement following the papal election it reads in part the world will greatly benefit from pope francis witnessing jesus' call for us to love god and love one another. the president of the u.s. conference of catholic bishops timothy cardinal dollan of new york also gave his blessing saying the bishops of the united states thank god for the guidance of the holy spirit and the inspired choils of the college of cardinals. julie...
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cardinal o'malley has gotten high marks for all diocese he worked in. and another american cardinal grabbing headlines is cardinal roger mahony from los angeles. he made a rare public appearance friday. >> ochl pregs of hatred coming out of that. >> embattled cardinal, church documents show he shielded abuser frtz law. he's apologized for failing to protect children. the theme for the sermon? ing forriveness. >> obstacle that often times traps people for moving from hated to love is their inability or unwillingness toing forrive. -- ing forrive one another. >> many called for him to withdraw, he will not. calling it his sacred duty to participate. the cardinal tweeted 115 voting cardinals will be moving in to the residence on monday, sequestered from the outside world until a pope is elected. >> so there will be a special mass tuesday morning and a procession tuesday morning into the sistine chapel. they'll lock and close doors and take only one vote on tuesday. and then... after the vote, they will burn the ballots, smoke coming out whether it's white o
cardinal o'malley has gotten high marks for all diocese he worked in. and another american cardinal grabbing headlines is cardinal roger mahony from los angeles. he made a rare public appearance friday. >> ochl pregs of hatred coming out of that. >> embattled cardinal, church documents show he shielded abuser frtz law. he's apologized for failing to protect children. the theme for the sermon? ing forriveness. >> obstacle that often times traps people for moving from hated to...
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>>reporter: sipe of race with no clear front runner. >> cardinal o'malley and dolan quite popular inf tan club around the 2 of them. >> still the 28 italian cardinal represent by far the biggest voting block by national. and true to form thought to be pushing for italian pope. >> multitude of language that we hear today in saint peter square suggest on the eve of the conclave vatican city is not italy. the world catholic are arriving to seat election of new pope. first time they may see the pope from latin north america. >>reporter: brazil or cardinal of canada. 2 candidates backed by faction of traditional who work in the vatican. working for somebody who has executive skills. talk about jesus with an mba. >>reporter: historic election with the church at cross roads particularly in the united states. in fact in new news "washington post"poll overwhelming number of american catholic disapprove of the church handling of the sex abuse scandal. in addition t criticism shared worldwide, of the secret and allegedly corrupt vatican banking system. what cost the church need and where does i
>>reporter: sipe of race with no clear front runner. >> cardinal o'malley and dolan quite popular inf tan club around the 2 of them. >> still the 28 italian cardinal represent by far the biggest voting block by national. and true to form thought to be pushing for italian pope. >> multitude of language that we hear today in saint peter square suggest on the eve of the conclave vatican city is not italy. the world catholic are arriving to seat election of new pope. first...
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or might that pope be cardinal o'malley of boston, whose humble robes and leadership in the sexual abuseeither claims to want the job. >> that is just way too, too out of the realm of probability. >> i have bought a round-trip ticket, so -- >> reporter: their candidacies are a sign of a race that has no clear front-runner. >> cardinal o'malley and cardinal dolan are both quite popular here in italy. there's already sort of fan clubs around the two of them. >> reporter: still the 28 italian cardinals represent by far the biggest voting bloc by nationality. and true to form, they're thought to be pushing for an italian pope. it is the multitude of languages we hear today in st. peter's square suggest on the eve of the conclave, vatican city is not italy. the world's catholics are arriving to see the election of a new pope. and for the first time they may see that pope hail from latin or north america. might that mean cardinal scherer of brazil or, two candidates backed by faction of traditionalists in the vatican. >> they're looking for someone who has executive skills, someone talked abou
or might that pope be cardinal o'malley of boston, whose humble robes and leadership in the sexual abuseeither claims to want the job. >> that is just way too, too out of the realm of probability. >> i have bought a round-trip ticket, so -- >> reporter: their candidacies are a sign of a race that has no clear front-runner. >> cardinal o'malley and cardinal dolan are both quite popular here in italy. there's already sort of fan clubs around the two of them. >>...
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cardinal timothy dolan and cardinal sean o'malley. >> father baron, it seems counterintuitive as the romans, this largely european group might actually be backing a brazilian cardinal. >> yeah, we heard that early on, they were getting behind him as sort of a front or face for their movement. the word here is that has -- that balloon has burst. he probably is not going to get the support he require. something i find fascinating, there are some italians and europeans very much backing the reform party. then you hear looking to americans for a variety of reasons. americans can get things done. and also that american cardinal sean o'malley comes to mind, have been dealing with the sex abuse crisis for a long time. they have that know how. two weeks ago you asked me about an american candidate, i said chances slim to none. now we're talking about not one but two who are very serious candidates. if sean o'malley comes out behind me in a few days as the new pope, he can address that crowd effortlessly in a variety of languages. that struck a number of people here, i've heard. because americ
cardinal timothy dolan and cardinal sean o'malley. >> father baron, it seems counterintuitive as the romans, this largely european group might actually be backing a brazilian cardinal. >> yeah, we heard that early on, they were getting behind him as sort of a front or face for their movement. the word here is that has -- that balloon has burst. he probably is not going to get the support he require. something i find fascinating, there are some italians and europeans very much...
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that would include cardinal o'malley and cardinal dolan. it's really interesting when you're out in rome that the tourist industry would love to see an american pope. they think it will bring a lot of media and a lot of tourists and thus a lot of dollars into the city. it's surprising to see a lot of the roamens i've talked to say they want nothing to do with a tallian pope because then it's business as usual. there is agreement if we would see white smoke today, it would be one of the favorites. probably the one person is the archbishop off of milan, cardinal scola would be an early favorite the longer it goes on. conventional wisdom is it would be more of a long shot. >> we're guaranteed to see smoke at some portion of this morning, correct? >> yes. they do two votes. assuming, assuming that they don't get a pope on the first ballot this morning, which we're not expecting, there would be two votes this morning and then we would see smoke. they would go to lunch and we would see smoke again this afternoon. that's right. they burn those fir
that would include cardinal o'malley and cardinal dolan. it's really interesting when you're out in rome that the tourist industry would love to see an american pope. they think it will bring a lot of media and a lot of tourists and thus a lot of dollars into the city. it's surprising to see a lot of the roamens i've talked to say they want nothing to do with a tallian pope because then it's business as usual. there is agreement if we would see white smoke today, it would be one of the...
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>> it was evidently a strong candidacy for cardinal o'malley. it was being pushed by an african cardinal. >> ifill: the boston archbishop. >> and a couple latin american cardinals who were big fans of cardinal o'malley. we'll find out in the next couple of weeks, estimations and guesses about what the vote totals were. but i think that was a real -- there was a real buzz there. that was not just the media. >> ifill: michael sean winters of national catholic reporter, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> woodruff: for more on what pope francis' selection means for the future of the catholic church. ray suarez picks up the story. >> suarez: and for that we're joined by chester gillis, a dean and professor of theology at georgetown university. he has written extensively on the history of the papacy and catholicism. and sister simone campbell is the executive director of network, a progressive catholic organization which promotes social justice. well the new pope joked that the fellow cardinals went to the ends of the earth to find him. he is the firs
>> it was evidently a strong candidacy for cardinal o'malley. it was being pushed by an african cardinal. >> ifill: the boston archbishop. >> and a couple latin american cardinals who were big fans of cardinal o'malley. we'll find out in the next couple of weeks, estimations and guesses about what the vote totals were. but i think that was a real -- there was a real buzz there. that was not just the media. >> ifill: michael sean winters of national catholic reporter,...
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with cardinal o'malley, you have a man who's a franciscan who wears a brown hat -- >> father edward beckoffer up as the reason why he is not a great papal candidate, he is not a sexy candidate. >> sexy meaning -- let me translate what sexy means. >> please. >> cardinal o'malley in his habit, franciscan poverty, he sees something totally different from what the norm is. cardinal dolan, brash, slapping you on the back, the big image when he enters the room. it's a different persona. cardinal worl is very retie sant, kind, humble, quiet, not a great speaker. just not as effervescent perhaps. i think that's why he doesn't get the same attention as the other two do. >> we do know this if you're going to have this pope send one message to the world, if that message is i came out against the sex abuse scandal and going to change things before you start hearing it spread to other continents can't think of a better message than that. >> that would be a tremendous message. chris cuomo, father beck, thanks to you. i should tell you right now we are watching the sistine chapel chimney. you can see i
with cardinal o'malley, you have a man who's a franciscan who wears a brown hat -- >> father edward beckoffer up as the reason why he is not a great papal candidate, he is not a sexy candidate. >> sexy meaning -- let me translate what sexy means. >> please. >> cardinal o'malley in his habit, franciscan poverty, he sees something totally different from what the norm is. cardinal dolan, brash, slapping you on the back, the big image when he enters the room. it's a...
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yesterday i spent my morning going from mass to mass listening to cardinal o'malley and then going todinal dolan's mass, the two americans who are considered to be possible papal candidates. and it really did have sort of that campaign feel. you had all these cameras. you had -- the pews were just jammed with people. lots of italians came to see these two american cardinals. both preached in italian and both were very true to their roots. cardinal o'malley, who has attracted a lot of attention here in rome because of his very humble appearance, he wears a robe and he wears sandals because he's a monk, and he gave a homily and it was very quiet and calm and the congregation was very respectful. cardinal dolan, on the other hand, got laughs during his homily and they applauded at the end, so i think they were both very indicative of the men. but there's a lot of excitement in this city about what's going to happen starting tomorrow, because there is no clear front runner here. and everybody is very anxious to see what the cardinals decide and who they choose. >> as we look as history, p
yesterday i spent my morning going from mass to mass listening to cardinal o'malley and then going todinal dolan's mass, the two americans who are considered to be possible papal candidates. and it really did have sort of that campaign feel. you had all these cameras. you had -- the pews were just jammed with people. lots of italians came to see these two american cardinals. both preached in italian and both were very true to their roots. cardinal o'malley, who has attracted a lot of attention...
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some such as boston's cardinal sean o'malley took the time to sit alone in prayer. le before taking individual oaths to obey the rules of the conclave which demand the utmost secrecy. if they ever break their silence, they risk excommunication. cardinal dolan thought to be a considerable contender gave a final radio dispatch from rome before heading into conclave himself. >> a unique special morning, i never thought i would be doing what i am about to do. >> reporter: the last word from him for a while. "everyone out" and with that the doors closed. the work of choosing a pope would truly begin. >> there is a sanctity in the air, they try to see who does it belong to among the 115 cardinals -- who is the person who is holy? that's the toughest judgment of all. >> reporter: then when the world sees white, inside the sistine chapel, the dean of cardinals will ask the newly elected pope if he accepts the result. if he does, he is from that moment the new pope and chooses the name he will then be called. next he walks to the nearby room of tears, so-called because some n
some such as boston's cardinal sean o'malley took the time to sit alone in prayer. le before taking individual oaths to obey the rules of the conclave which demand the utmost secrecy. if they ever break their silence, they risk excommunication. cardinal dolan thought to be a considerable contender gave a final radio dispatch from rome before heading into conclave himself. >> a unique special morning, i never thought i would be doing what i am about to do. >> reporter: the last word...
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odilo scherer of brazil and angelo scola of italy and even two americans do have a shot boston cardinal o'malleyrdinal timothy dolan. >>> bay area catholics are invited to a special mass for the election of a pope. this morning, kpix 5 reporter cate caugiran is live in san francisco where the mass at saint mary's begins at 8 a.m. >> reporter: good morning, san francisco's archbishop will be presiding over today's special mass as many bay area catholics await a conclave decision. we were here the last time they had a special mass to celebrate the end of benedict's papacy. today the focus is on new beginnings as the conclave kicks off, bay area catholics told kpix 5 they already have an idea of what they want in a new pope. >> the majority of the catholics in the world are his spinks and latinos. i definitely --are hispanics and latinos. i definitely think this time we should be given the opportunity for a latino or american cardinal. >> reporter: most catholics surveyed say the church is out of touch with its members and are now looking for a leader who can modernize the church. 54% say they want
odilo scherer of brazil and angelo scola of italy and even two americans do have a shot boston cardinal o'malleyrdinal timothy dolan. >>> bay area catholics are invited to a special mass for the election of a pope. this morning, kpix 5 reporter cate caugiran is live in san francisco where the mass at saint mary's begins at 8 a.m. >> reporter: good morning, san francisco's archbishop will be presiding over today's special mass as many bay area catholics await a conclave decision....
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but i think it took all of us by surprise that over the last week, suddenly his name cardinal o'malley of boston, names suddenly put out there from folks who have some knowledge of all this, that they could be serious contenders. but we have seen north american pope, i think you would see a reaction beyond what you're witnessing right now if that were to occur. we will all find out. we have gone down the list of front runners. there's been so much speculation by folks in the know. and a lot of us who simply aren't as we train to gain all this. this was a secret process known by the cardinals who met at the chapel. perhaps had discussions over dinner last night. more discussions over lunch. when it got down to the voting, each filling out a name on a ballot. they have apparently taken two ballots tonight. a total of five ballots. that takes longer as pope benedict xvi. we'll find out more about this process as we go along, but right now, the crowd simmering down a bit. the rain has stopped interestingly enough. it's been a miserable night here. still very cool, but the rain stopped shor
but i think it took all of us by surprise that over the last week, suddenly his name cardinal o'malley of boston, names suddenly put out there from folks who have some knowledge of all this, that they could be serious contenders. but we have seen north american pope, i think you would see a reaction beyond what you're witnessing right now if that were to occur. we will all find out. we have gone down the list of front runners. there's been so much speculation by folks in the know. and a lot of...
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everybody is talking cardinal o'malley and cardinal dolan.son is america has had to deal with this. america has in place, there will always be example ofs problems and sins and crimes. the fact of the matter is in america, a priest tends to be guilty until proven innocent at this point and time in catholic circles. actually, the world looks to us at this moment. when you look at how boston turned around and cardinal dolan and st. louis and milwaukee has a lot of experience and has seen the worst. the filth that pope benedict talked about. so, i think that explains the u.s. focus in a lot of ways. >> okay. we'll see how it goes tomorrow. it could be an exciting day. thank you both very much for staying up so late to join us. >> thank you. >> thanks. >> good night. >>> a way around a crisis. lanny davis. disfuns in washington. michael, tell us why you used priceline express deals to book this fabulous hotel. well, you can see if the hotel is pet friendly before you book it. and i got a great deal without bidding. and where's your furry friend?
everybody is talking cardinal o'malley and cardinal dolan.son is america has had to deal with this. america has in place, there will always be example ofs problems and sins and crimes. the fact of the matter is in america, a priest tends to be guilty until proven innocent at this point and time in catholic circles. actually, the world looks to us at this moment. when you look at how boston turned around and cardinal dolan and st. louis and milwaukee has a lot of experience and has seen the...
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in rome, they are talking about, believe it or not, cardinal sean o'malley. he's on the front page of the papers, romans i spoke to ask about cardinal o'malley. when he took over in boston as cardinal in 2003, there were 17 seminarys. today there are 70 seminarians. can you imagine that balcony behind us with the red drapes if sean o'malley in a brown franciscan habit were to set forth. the reason the pope wears white is because there was a dominican in the 1500s who was pope and wore a white habit. he stepped out in the white habit and such it has been since then. so sean o'malley could very likely step out of there in a brown habit and it would change everything. >> can i ask you -- >> why do you laugh? >> yeah, why do you laugh, chris? >> reporter: because it's a big deal to father beck, because he's a priest. you say he's going to walk out in a brown habit, to me it is one more thing to look for. we're treating this in a lot of ways as journalists as an election. who are the frontrunners, what are the issues, who has the pluses and minuses, but to this co
in rome, they are talking about, believe it or not, cardinal sean o'malley. he's on the front page of the papers, romans i spoke to ask about cardinal o'malley. when he took over in boston as cardinal in 2003, there were 17 seminarys. today there are 70 seminarians. can you imagine that balcony behind us with the red drapes if sean o'malley in a brown franciscan habit were to set forth. the reason the pope wears white is because there was a dominican in the 1500s who was pope and wore a white...
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among the cardinals, a few find themselves in unfamiliar surroundings for an american being discussed as possible choices for pope. boston's sean o'malley quiet pastoral manner and experience in latin america has him on lists and timothy dolan, whose enthusiasm won friends. cardinals aren't supposed to campaign like politicians, but some might see a resemblance. after a week of talking, it's finally time to start voting. the cardinals go into the conclave with the most open field for pope anyone can remember. there seem to be two dominant voting blocs, those who want to reform the way the church runs itself and those who want to defend the roman period as the administration is called, which is blamed for many of the church's problems. oddly, an italian, cardinal angelo scola, champion of the reformst camp, and a brazilian, odilo scherer is a traditionalist. neither thought to have enough votes to break through for the 2/3 majority in the early balloting. and a lot of people could flip through the middle as the vote shifts. it's happened before. [ speaking latin ] >> reporter: the cardinals begin day one with the mass before they enter t
among the cardinals, a few find themselves in unfamiliar surroundings for an american being discussed as possible choices for pope. boston's sean o'malley quiet pastoral manner and experience in latin america has him on lists and timothy dolan, whose enthusiasm won friends. cardinals aren't supposed to campaign like politicians, but some might see a resemblance. after a week of talking, it's finally time to start voting. the cardinals go into the conclave with the most open field for pope...
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both pieces of experience. >> for the first time we see two americans' names being mentioned, cardinal o'malley and cardinal dolan. what's happened to bring them to the forefront? >> what's happened is the world's changed. the common thinking was the u.s. is a super power. how come the u.s. is never the head of united nations. you're already a super power. the other part is they're two very interesting personalities who reflect the church in the united states. >> and might reflect the need of the vatican. >> i think it's interesting. it's a very vibrant church and anybody who sends their kids to catholic school knows that. i think people in europe are starting to see that. not only the difficulties and problems the american church can bring but also the positive side. >> we haven't had a noneuropean pope in 1,300 years but we're talking several americans. thank you. >>> still ahead, with the eyes of the world on vatican city, we'll take you next door to rome and show you its hidden treasures. that's ahead on "cbs this morning." >>> and at least two u.s. troops were killed in eastern afghanistan
both pieces of experience. >> for the first time we see two americans' names being mentioned, cardinal o'malley and cardinal dolan. what's happened to bring them to the forefront? >> what's happened is the world's changed. the common thinking was the u.s. is a super power. how come the u.s. is never the head of united nations. you're already a super power. the other part is they're two very interesting personalities who reflect the church in the united states. >> and might...
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we heard from stefen white mentioning the name of cardinal o'malley. uple of other american cardinals who are taking part in this conclave. it seems for the first time i don't even, for maybe the first time ever there is some serious discussion of an american pope. how has it come to that, lauren and what's the reaction been? >> reporter: well, you know one of the reasons why the american popes, i'm sorry the american cardinals are mentioned so much because one of the needs of the church is sort of clean up the mess in the vatican curia, the vatican government. one of the things that americans have is a great deal of administrative ability. they know how to run a diocese, archdiocese, many of the larger archdiocese like los angeles and new york, washington, d.c., they are large places and they have a lot of, a lot of administrative work to be done. so many see the americans able to clean up the vatican curia that is one of the things that developed two camps. reformers who want to clean up the roman curia and others are satisfied with the status quo. th
we heard from stefen white mentioning the name of cardinal o'malley. uple of other american cardinals who are taking part in this conclave. it seems for the first time i don't even, for maybe the first time ever there is some serious discussion of an american pope. how has it come to that, lauren and what's the reaction been? >> reporter: well, you know one of the reasons why the american popes, i'm sorry the american cardinals are mentioned so much because one of the needs of the church...
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. >> still there are no free frontrunners, but some point to cardinal o'malley of boston and two others as possible candidates. >> cardinal sharer is a very strong candidate, i believe. he is head of the large. archdoicese in the world earl world. >>> with the start of the conclave two days away, preparations are wrapping up. yesterday the two cast iron stoves where the ballots will be burned were installed in the sistine chapel, and on the roof the chimney is in place. the focal point for millions of catholics around the world who will be watching and waiting for white smoke, signaling a new pope has been elected. >> the cardinals will meet for their final congregation session tomorrow before gathering for mass and the start of the conclave. abc news, rome. >> so here is a look at how the conclave will work this week. only those cardinals younger than 80 are eligible to vote. in this case there are 115 of them. the election process can begin on the afternoon of the first day. if no one receives the required two-thirds vote, up to four separate votes will be held every day after that. t
. >> still there are no free frontrunners, but some point to cardinal o'malley of boston and two others as possible candidates. >> cardinal sharer is a very strong candidate, i believe. he is head of the large. archdoicese in the world earl world. >>> with the start of the conclave two days away, preparations are wrapping up. yesterday the two cast iron stoves where the ballots will be burned were installed in the sistine chapel, and on the roof the chimney is in place. the...
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. >> still there are no free frontrunners but some point to cardinal o'malley of boston and two otherspossible candidates. >> cardinal sharer is a very strong candidate, i believe. >>> with the start of the conclave two days away, preparations are wrapping up. yesterday the two cast iron stoves where the ballots will be burned were installed in the sistine chapel and on the roof the chimney is in place. the focal point for millions of catholics around the world who will be waiving and waiting for white smoke, signaling a new pope has been elected. >> the cardinals will meet for their final congregation session tomorrow before gathering tiles for mass and the start of the conclave. abc news, rome. >> so here is a look at how the conclave will work this week. only those cardinals younger than 80 are eligible to vote. in this case there are 115 of them. the election process can begin on the afternoon of the first day. if no one receives the required two-thirds vote, up to four separate votes will be held every day after that. the voting hams in the sistine chapel beneath the famed ceiling
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one of the other front-runners, cardinal o'malley of boston, someone who was named as a possible american pope, maybe a long shot, but again someone who was named -- or he is of a franciscan order and similar things were said about him. his humbleness was one of the more important traits, and now, we will now come to know this of pope frances i. >> once again, the cardinals defy all the media hype, all the expectations, the beliefs that they would need some charismatic figure to lead the church through the beginning stages of the 21st century. maybe some reforms. maybe cleaning up the vatican. and in the end, they choose a 76-year-old man of humble beginnings, who walks the streets of buenos aires to be the new pope. >> that may go to the charismatic argument, though. that he can appeal to a wide swath and group of people, and who's used to dealing with people. he is not one of those pontiffs who had been, that did not have pastoral experience, although it's not extensive, from what we know. he did have some. some of the eligible candidates, who we had understood, were more vatican orient
one of the other front-runners, cardinal o'malley of boston, someone who was named as a possible american pope, maybe a long shot, but again someone who was named -- or he is of a franciscan order and similar things were said about him. his humbleness was one of the more important traits, and now, we will now come to know this of pope frances i. >> once again, the cardinals defy all the media hype, all the expectations, the beliefs that they would need some charismatic figure to lead the...
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boston cardinal sean o'malley and new york cardinal timothy dolan are the leading u.s. papal contenders. vinita nair, cbs news, vatican city. >> that conclave will begin tomorrow morning with mass. this is a live picture of vatican city. the cardinals will vote tomorrow afternoon. and just a note, "cbs this morning" broadcasting live from vatican city beginning today all week long. >>> today is the second anniversary of the 9.0 magnitude earthquake and tsunami that killed nearly 19,000 people in japan. 300,000 people are still homeless two years after the quake and that devastating tsunami. an estimated 1.5 million tons of debris washed out to sea and some of that debris continues to show up on beaches. >>> there's still plenty of work to do at the santa cruz harbor heavily damaged by the japan tsunami. they expect to work through the summer to rebuild several destroyed docks. some docks at the harbor still have to be demolished and then replaced. >>> 4:40. coming up, a lifetime commitment isn't cheap. how the economy is impacting the price for a wedding. >> plus it's g
boston cardinal sean o'malley and new york cardinal timothy dolan are the leading u.s. papal contenders. vinita nair, cbs news, vatican city. >> that conclave will begin tomorrow morning with mass. this is a live picture of vatican city. the cardinals will vote tomorrow afternoon. and just a note, "cbs this morning" broadcasting live from vatican city beginning today all week long. >>> today is the second anniversary of the 9.0 magnitude earthquake and tsunami that...
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boston cardinal shaun o'malley and new york cardinal timothy dolan are the u.s. papal contenders. they've been careful to create a list of criteria, what they're looking for. really what it comes down to is do they want a pastoral leader someone who's charismatic, who can bring people into the church, or someone who is managerial who can clean out the church after all the sex abuse scandals and bureaucracy issues. reporting live in vatican city, vinita nair. back to you, anne-marie. >> the world is watching. thank you very much. >>> the united states and korea begin their annual war. the military drills last for 11 days. south korean activists ripped up and burned a photo of north korean leader kim jong-un. as promised north korea has cut off communications with the south. the north threatened a nuclear strike against the u.s. over the drills and recent round of u.s. sanctions. >>> in afghanistan chuck hagel denied allegations that the u.s. and taliban were working together to scare the afghan people. the charges came from afghan president hamid karzai before his meeting with hage
boston cardinal shaun o'malley and new york cardinal timothy dolan are the u.s. papal contenders. they've been careful to create a list of criteria, what they're looking for. really what it comes down to is do they want a pastoral leader someone who's charismatic, who can bring people into the church, or someone who is managerial who can clean out the church after all the sex abuse scandals and bureaucracy issues. reporting live in vatican city, vinita nair. back to you, anne-marie. >>...
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so i guess when you're talking about the potential of a cardinal o'malley or cardinal dolan that would certainly shake things up. we also got a little indication this morning, chuck, from a couple of cardinals how long they think this thing could go, because the last one only went 24 hours when pope benedict xvi was elected. and the cardinal from chile said i don't think it will be over quickly. the cardinal from south africa breeze ducts four to five days but your prediction, frankly, as good as any. chuck? >> i was going to say chris, when it came to the selection of cardinal joseph ratzinger eight years ago, his name was out there before the conclave began but nobody was predicting the universal -- basically how quickly he was able to wrap up the election as he did. every chance that we may see white smoke before we know it? >> reporter: i don't think we will see it today. i said if we see it today, i will fall off this balcony. having said that down the know what the dynamics are going to be inside this radio. but i think the betting money here is certainly on no sooner than friday
so i guess when you're talking about the potential of a cardinal o'malley or cardinal dolan that would certainly shake things up. we also got a little indication this morning, chuck, from a couple of cardinals how long they think this thing could go, because the last one only went 24 hours when pope benedict xvi was elected. and the cardinal from chile said i don't think it will be over quickly. the cardinal from south africa breeze ducts four to five days but your prediction, frankly, as good...
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boston cardinal sean o'malley and new york cardinal timothy dolan. >>> and there could be a victory todayghts in the british empire. queen elizabeth is due to sign what's called the commonwealth charter today. it declares opposition to all forms of discrimination. sources suggest that gay rights are implied in that statement. the queen has tenant unusual step of asking to have television cameras on hand when she signs that charter today. >>> time now is 6:40. coming up, tougher gun laws. the ambitious agenda being laid out by state lawmakers. >> plus, caught on camera. the blast that rocked a new jersey apartment complex coming up. >> and the market just opened up about 10 minutes ago. let's check the early numbers. so far, not too great. coming up we'll get an update from chief financial officer. -- coming up we'll get an update from kcbs radio's financial reporter jason brooks. well, well, well. growing up we didn't have u-verse. we couldn't record four shows at the same time. in my day, you were lucky if you could record two shows. and if mom was recording her dumb show and dad was rec
boston cardinal sean o'malley and new york cardinal timothy dolan. >>> and there could be a victory todayghts in the british empire. queen elizabeth is due to sign what's called the commonwealth charter today. it declares opposition to all forms of discrimination. sources suggest that gay rights are implied in that statement. the queen has tenant unusual step of asking to have television cameras on hand when she signs that charter today. >>> time now is 6:40. coming up,...
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vatican analysts say boston cardinal sean o'malley is a favorite contender - because he actually did to clean up a diocese rocked by child sex abuse. after he arrived in boston in 2003, he sold the bishop's mansion to help pay victims' settlements. new at 11. police in san diego county got more than they bargained for during a gun buy-back program. somebody actually turned in a hand-held missile launcher. it's now sitting in an evidence locker. officers say they were more than happy to take it off the streets. the serial numbers have been removed.making it tough to tell where it came from. military investigators say they'll take a look -- then destroy it. the f-a-a has approved a boeing plan to redesign the batteries for its 787 dreamliners. boeing says it will re- design the battery - to minimize the chances of a short circuit. they're talking about better insulation and a new venting system. the 787 fleet has been grounded since january. after a battery fire on one plane. and a smoking battery on another. developing now. a tugboat, a barge and a gas pipeline are all burning tonight
vatican analysts say boston cardinal sean o'malley is a favorite contender - because he actually did to clean up a diocese rocked by child sex abuse. after he arrived in boston in 2003, he sold the bishop's mansion to help pay victims' settlements. new at 11. police in san diego county got more than they bargained for during a gun buy-back program. somebody actually turned in a hand-held missile launcher. it's now sitting in an evidence locker. officers say they were more than happy to take it...
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boston's cardinal o'malley is a leading candidate in the media realm. rgest activity and the controversial cardinal mahony from los angeles. even the papal chimney has a twitter handle. >> of course it would. why wouldn't it? @chimney? what is it? >> do you guys track your ratings day to day? are people just really tuning in? >> and for those who are interested in getting more involved, it's kind of like adopt a cardinal? >> it's random. if you have your preferences, that's great. it gives you a cardinal to pray for and pray for just in case he becomes pope, it's pretty cool. >> they've gotten 530,000 people that have adopted a cardinal at this point. there's always an upside and downside to social media. all of the crazy stuff gets out there and there are haters out there, frankly. do you think it's been good or bad or indifferent or we don't know yet? >> absolutely for me it's a good. because these last two popes, pope john paul ii and benedict xvi have talked about a new e n evangelism. we need to rekindle that fire. we do that today primarily through
boston's cardinal o'malley is a leading candidate in the media realm. rgest activity and the controversial cardinal mahony from los angeles. even the papal chimney has a twitter handle. >> of course it would. why wouldn't it? @chimney? what is it? >> do you guys track your ratings day to day? are people just really tuning in? >> and for those who are interested in getting more involved, it's kind of like adopt a cardinal? >> it's random. if you have your preferences,...
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boston cardinal, sean o'malley, and italy's, angelo scola. whichever cardinal becomes pope, he will become the leader of a church in crisis. from on going investigations of sex scandals to legal trouble facing the vatican bank. the new bank will be as much ceo as spiritual leader. vatican watchers say that reality is already shaping the conclave. >> i think the cardinals are looking for a pope who either has strong management and administrative skills or can delegate them and follow them closely. >> the first vote is expected tuesday afternoon. danielle nottingham, cbs news, vatican city. >> the conclave is expected to last three days, or two to three days. there could be a new pope by the end of this week. >>> a series of ads coming to a muni bus near you. they have people asking, are they hate speech or free speech? kpix5 is in san francisco with a look at the ads being bought by a group called the american freedom defense initiative. >> the point of advertising is to get your message heard, these bus ads are susceptible. ads went on muni bu
boston cardinal, sean o'malley, and italy's, angelo scola. whichever cardinal becomes pope, he will become the leader of a church in crisis. from on going investigations of sex scandals to legal trouble facing the vatican bank. the new bank will be as much ceo as spiritual leader. vatican watchers say that reality is already shaping the conclave. >> i think the cardinals are looking for a pope who either has strong management and administrative skills or can delegate them and follow them...