is his... is cardoso's legacy, and then lula's legacy, what essentially created this foundation for brazil to be lifted out of this kind of third world... >> i believe historians of the future will study this period, and they'll see that cardoso and lula were parts of the same moment. it's interesting-- a member of the brazilian elite, cardoso, a member of... a man of the people, lula, that becomes president. and lula becoming president in a stable... economically stable brazil was very important. and lula having been a successful president is absolutely important for brazil, because for the first time-- and here i repeat what cardoso said as president, but based on what he's learned as a sociologist-- brazil is not an underdeveloped country. brazil is just an unjust country.

president cardoso is responsible for that. he put down the foundations for what lula continued. >> hinojosa: which is interesting, because as a student of latin american studies when i was in college in the 1980s, i was reading fernando henrique cardoso. he was an intellectual who was talking about how to develop underdeveloped countries. is his... is cardoso's legacy, and then lula's legacy, what essentially created this foundation for brazil to be lifted out of this kind of third world... >> i believe historians of the future will study this period, and they'll see that cardoso and lula were parts of the same moment. it's interesting-- a member of the brazilian elite, cardoso, a member of... a man of the people, lula, that becomes president. and lula becoming president in a stable... economically stable brazil was very important. and lula having been a successful president is absolutely important for brazil, because for the first time-- and here i repeat what cardoso said as president, but based on what he's learned as a soc