john donvan and caren zucker's book does just that. >> sean, thank you and welcome everybody. it's a great book. i feel bad that you've got might but back over there. it's a very moving book and what's great about it is there are individuals against the system stuff which is very moving and very real. the stories and social history so it's really a great read so congratulations, guys. >> thank you. >> i guess you know there are a lot of things about the book that did fascinate me and move me but why don't we start where you started which is how you both got interested in it and what led you to the relationship not your relationship together but abc and how this became a big story for you, caren. >> one year ago i had a son with autism and not long after that i figured out i would need to do something to try to help him to understand him better. i asked john to help me. we were a team of journalists working together. >> esop him as a story right away. >> no, actually john's side as the story right away and he said we were doing this very intensive program 40 hours a week, four

now, first up john donvan and caren zucker's new book "in a different key". this is hardly just a medical fail. it's a very human story of doctors who studied and misunderstood conditions in patients who spent years away, hidden away at home or in institutions and the parents who were maligned for their children to uncontrollable behavior. it's the story of the darkness of the past and attempts to discover brighter future for those who have autism. the "washington post" reviewer herself, the mother of an autistic child said the book does what no other autism book has done, captures all that bewildering and -- aspects. i've wept and rage for reading it all the while thinking yes, this is my experience. brought together with dignity and affection on the page. with the "washington post" year and notables light -- and might just inspire us and help us understand our world. john donvan and caren zucker's book does just that. >> sean, thank you and welcome everybody. it's a great book. i feel bad that you've got might but back over there. it's a very moving book an

autism to the experts and they said you did this to your child by failing to love the child and caren zucker has met some of these mothers that are in their 80s and u.s. spent hours with them.. what impressed me is it took hours but the shame was still there even though they did not believe it anymore. >> history is very dark. if your mother is one of those stories you're already living this life with a child who was so different and complicated and now you are blamed for it. one of the mothers and it took her a while to get the diagnosis that she tried to find a place for him to have treatment that she could get her son into but the only way to get your said into the program as sun is you got there be because you with the problem you needed to be psychoanalyzed and what you did. so rita was educated and book an read the book can said this is my fault that to figure out what to do some shoes sitting in a session with their psychologist and tells the story after almost three hours of talking over decades and says i am saying there i got did. i remember. i thought he looked like a chicken he w

john donvan and caren zucker's book does just that. >> sean, thank you and welcome everybody. it's a great book. i feel bad that you've got might but ba o