cargill, one of the world's largest companies announced it would will ends gestation crates.s comes on the heels from similar announcements from others like mcdonald's, kraft and cost 0 who will no longer them. >> farmal animal protection for the humane society of the united states and sell ebbrity chef and owner of restaurant nora, america's first certified organic restaurant. paul, we saw you talking about the affirmative of the gestation crates. explain more specifically what they are, how long a pig spends in them throughout the course of her life and why cargill's announcement is so important? >> imagine taking a 500 pound animal and locking her inside of a came that's so small, she can barely move in it. she can't even turn around, not just for a couple of hours or days but for years on end prior to slaughter. this isn't just some sadistic animal abuser, a lone wolfe doing this. this is a standarding ari busy practice in the pork industry that represents one of the worst forms of animal cruelty in our society perpetrated against millions of pigs across the united states

now there are a lot of very, very big closely held corporations from comcast to bloomberg to cargill dozens of them. and it's true that many of them will want to just comply with the aca and have insurance programs that provide fda approved contraceptives. but if they don't, then the administration is going to have to come up with a solution that is perhaps like the solution they offered to non-profit religious institutions. >> so give us a sense. the consequences. what are the ramifications? where is the next page in this chapter? >> well, i am not sure. the court did seem to try to make this as narrow as possible so it wouldn't be opening the floodgates, but it's not 100% clear whether it has done that or not. i think what is pretty clear is that there is at least one justice, justice kennedy, who wrote a separate opinion. he signed on in full to this opinion. but he wrote a separate opinion that said essentially, don't worry. as long as i'm here, this -- the flood gates won't open. and it won't be hundreds and hundreds or thousands and thousands of companies saying, why me? why sh

and the fact that cargill has moved on this issue, i think, is a sign of the times. >> explain aboute of mind at home. >> yeah, i think there's an area where business is also aligned with humanity. and with good practices. we're seeing people just want to get a better product. at the end of the day, these types of conditions breed disease. there's waste and leakage into ground water. there's pollution and greenhouse gases that are produced from these types of scenarios. there's antibiotics that comes up. i think this is an area where we can really achieve cost savings. there's 20% slippage, where 20% of thin of the pigs die just from the conditions. this is an area where business is going to improve from an efficiency standpoint by better practices. >> gene and i were talking, we're disassociated from our food system. >> we are, we're not in touch with our dinner. in some other places, people are. i wanted to ask tom, do diners want to be more in touch with their dinner and more knowledgeable about the conditions under which the animals were raised? >> they do. i think consumers want