. >> morning, carl. as we focus in on the forecast for friday, we will be watching this frontal boundary moving over the great lakes. back down to the deep south, a broken line of scattered showers and thunderstorms throughout the day today. chicago, quiet for the now, but we will see the chance for isolated showers wrapping back around that area. the motor city into pittsburgh, look for scattered showers. moving through louisville, as well. look at the heavy rainfall around the i-10 corridor around new orleans and houston. showery as you move around the great lakes. fairly quiet into the heartland and the deep south. another system moves back into the midwest by sunday, back through tleef port and nowhere else for your upcoming sunday. quiet as we move around the great lakes and back through the mid-atlantic. back to you. >> scott, thanks. when we come back, we'll get the real story. staffing giant adecco will tell us what the labor market looks like in this country when "squawk box" continues. more tha

i'm carl quintanilla.teve leisman and michelle cabrera are joining us this morning. >> our story, charlie gasparino broke the story yesterday that ken lewis is stepping down by the end of the year. no replacement has been named, but analysts say six internal candidates are seen vying for that job. b of a stocks did rally on the news after hours. the merrill deal announced last september's stocks have shed some 50% since then. the stock is called higher this morning, as well. we'll see what happens later with b of a and as the guessing game begins, michelle, in earnest of who wants this job, who would take this job and who would the board would pick for this job. >> let's start that game right now. joining us on the phone is jeff hart. jeff, first of all, ken lewis stepping down, good or bad for the stock? >> i think that the stock's reaction, as we saw last night, will probably be above. there's just been so much negative sentiment toward him, both by in the press, from regulators, that it's become a distr

>> well, i think some are a little nervous, carl. but what we see here more and more evidence that this is not going to be a v-shaped recovery, more like a u-shaped recovery. keep in mind the labor market is improving relative to the prior quarter. it's just disappointing relative to expectations. the labor report, you can't put any lipstick on it, it was pretty bad. but given the fact it was sequentially better than the first and second quarter, i think we have to be somewhat -- >> although some of the real concerning signs were things like the number of hours worked dropped slightly. you had overtime hours that dropped. and those are supposed to be the signs that show employers are getting ready or would have to start ramping up hiring again. >> once again, it's a sign that it's not a v-shaped recovery. you need, you're absolutely correct. you need the workweek to start increasing. at the first sign of an improvement, you're not going to see more hiring, you're going to see an increase in the length of the workweek. we want to see

chief political correspondent carl carl cameron reports on the lack of progress and the abundance of rhetoric. >> with the fifth and final bill still stuck in committee and no word on its cost, congressional republicans attack. >> we know that the bill they send to the senate noor will cut -- they send to the senate floor will cut seniors medicare by half a trillion dollars. we know it will raise taxes on virtually everyone. we know it will limit the healthcare choices americans now enjoy. >> but a comprehensive analysis by the congressional budget office is not yet being done for lack of detailed, quote, legislative language to study from the senate finance committee. instead, democrats have provided the c.b.o. only with, quote, conceptual language without in depth specifics, so the non-partisan analysts doing only a preliminary report. former c.b.o. director doug haltsaggen -- >> if they score on the concepts, he, we could get more expensive legislative processes than they started with. >> democrats want to expand children's healthcare, medicare for seniors, medicaid for the poor,

she would have been 20 when carl lewis debuted in 1984. sean: tonight in "your america" now the 2016 olympics are off president obama's plate, the world awaits his future deployments to afghanistan and one person eager to get that answer is general stanley mcchrystal who is reportedly in president obama's doghouse. according to "the london telegraph" mcchrystal's blunt statements about needing more troops on the ground have outraged the white house and will he be granted the support for troops he needs to win this war in afghanistan? we're joined by newt gingrich along with his wife hosts a brand-new d.v.d. "rediscovering god in america ii" and your wife will be joining us later, your better half. a rare new york appearance. this is troubling to me, crystal -- mcchrystal writes a report in late august that says if we don't get more troops on the ground we risk failure. the only reason we know this is it was leaked to "the washington post." mcchrystal says he's only spoken to the commander in chief twice in the last 100 days and now they're

and then we'll bring in the chairman of the senate armed services committee carl levin of michigan and the house armed services committee chair ike skeleton of missouri who have very different ideas about all of this and we'll talk to the retired general who was once responsible for afghanistan, anthony zinni. i'll have a final word about the end of the world. it didn't happen and we'll have the details. but first national security add vidzor... advisor jim jones on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs "face the nation" with cbs news chief washington correspondent bob schieffer. and now from cbs news in washington, bob schieffer. >> schieffer: we begin in the studio this morning with general jones. general, thank you for coming. more bad news from afghanistan this morning. eight american troops killed in this latest attack. this as the white house is debating whether to send more troops to afghanistan. i want to begin by asking you about this meeting that the president had with general mcchrystal, our top general in afghanistan. he met with him in copenhagen. after the genera

. >> some of my best memories are sitting on my dad's lap, looking at carl lewis. sean: the lady tells a tall tale so the committee. >> it's i have clear what i've done so far and that is nothing. sean: "saturday night live" trashes the obama presidency. >> nada. sean: the white house ignores the kevin jennings controversy and dick norris, newt gingrich and the latest attack on governor sarah palin. sean: "hannity" starts right now. sean: president obama's most glaring failure on the world stage came friday when the olympic committee rejected chicago's bid to host the 2016 olympics after the president traveled to copenhagen to lobby for his own town and the decision was a slap in the face to the commander in chief, the guy who fancies himself as the darling of the international community. but don't worry, obama's fans aren't blaming him on this failure and were quick to pin it on their favorite scapegoat, that is george w. bush. i'm series. let's look at illinois senator roland burris. >> we have to look at what happened the past years and the image of america over

carl cameron in our newsroom across from the capitol. democrats actually go to the floor to the bill that does contain a public option. which ones of them. >> the senate health education labor intention committee formerly chaired by the late ted kennedy has that insurance program the so-called public option. the so-called senate finance bill does not. it's quite possible that they would go to the floor without the public option. between 3 and 7 centrist democrats though ho say they don't like the idea of the government getting involved in the private insurance business. that's enough to keep it out of the senate llings. the senate finance committee was actually supposed to vote tomorrow on its reform plan with that nonprofit co-opt instead. once again, another deadline is going to get missed, shep. they have postponed it at least a couple more days. shepard: because the thing is really not ready yet, right? >> couple of things. the legislative language is not going to get published at all. the senate finance committee is different than a

the democratic amendment, passed carl levin.f the democrats, so, there you have it. the general in charge of strategy in afghanistan not going to be heard from public belie in terms of taking questions from senators on capitol hill until the president has decided his strategy. pretty interesting. going to have much more straight ahead here on msnbc, the place for politics. with all the pet hair in the air, i'd spend class preoccupied, bothered by itchy eyes. but now i have new zyrtec® itchy eye drops. it works fast, with just one drop, to relieve my itchy eyes from allergies for up to 12 hours. no other allergy itchy eye drop works faster or longer. which is good, 'cause there's a lotta paws to shake. with new zyrtec® itchy eye drops i can love the air™. (announcer) find it in the allergy aisle next to other zyrtec® products. he's a hall of fame quarterback who scored a 22-pound weight loss thanks to nutrisystem. he's a legendary linebacker who's tackled his own weight problem by dropping 35 pounds with nutrisystem. so, who's th

carl brad. he doesn't exactly fit your image of a typical lobbyist.rs stumped on capitol hill. he is 9 years old. and his goal isn't to line his pockets, but to potentially save his life and millions of others. his fight against food allergies drawing attention at cnn.com and reggie key has this story. i love it, reggie, when young people go banging down the door of some of the congressmen on capita total hill for a great cause they believe in. >> reporter: yeah he and about 79 other kids made their way to capitol hill to knock on doors and persuade lawmakers to write legislation that could benefit them. and of course we're talking about some really crippling food allergies. this isn't just a hive or two. these are kids whose lives can be threatened by being around stuff like peanuts for example. so kyle is one of about 3 million american kids helping to rally against food allergies in had skill. there is growing concern as the number of cases arise. >> the bill would create voluntary guidelines to manage students who suffer from the allergies and fun

question of this, rather than go to the senator -- where john mccain and also democratic chairman carl levin run that committee and there are agreements on resources, so when a senator travels abroad, there are resources, planes and whatnot and the agreement mitch mcconnell's own authority that went through the armed services committee and thus i'm pretty sure, though not absolutely sure that senator carl levin gave his assent to this, let the trip go on. what i find interesting in an untold part of the story, that senator luger didn't come to jim demint's defense when senator kerry moved to block this. it's great theater in washington. it reminds me of why this town is so much fun. >> what is demint trying to do here? you heard my introduction, i'm no expert on these things, but it looks like he's going abroad, specifically to not only undermine the unified policy of the united states government, but to encourage foreign leaders to resist the u.s. government, it seems like sort of an outrageous thing for him to be doing. >> ever since the coup against zelaya, jim demint's been very op

chief political correspondent carl cameron was up very late on this.veryone get a chance to read this bill before they vote on it? >> yes and no. what happened last night was the completed the amendment process. the vote will not actually happen until next week. the end of what is called up here and markup, wherein lawmakers try to put their own little fingerprints on it and adjust it and love it. what is in it is pretty obvious. it is a non-profit cooperative designed to compete against private insurance companies and thereby bring the price down. it would cost somewhere around $900 billion. it would raise taxes and fees. has mandatory coverage for individuals, which means if you choose not to have some sort of health-care coverage, the government can fine you, and it could be as much as $1,900 per family. there are some critics of that. those will come next week, and the legislative language, the precise and often arcane legislative text will not be made available to lawmakers before hand. that creates a problem for the nonprofit nonpartisan congress

carl sales -- car sales plummeted after the cash for clunkers ended. borrowing is a still tough. all of this is driving down employment. experts predict 10% joblessness up ahead. >> no one is hiring. >> one bright side. the rate of job loss was lower. the quarter million loss last month compared to 700,000 jobs when president obama into office. >> we have made some progress on this front. the jobs report is a sobering reminder that we need to grind out this recovery. it will be step by step. >> the recession may be over but the ranks of the unemployed are growing. experts predict prolonged pain, at least 9% unemployment through the end of next year. nbc news, washington. >> according to a paint maker, silver is the no. 1 car color for nine straight years. white was second and black was third. the favorite color 15 years ago was green. do not go away, we are coming back with more news. here is a look at events going on around town this weekend. [captioning made possible by constellation energy group] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- traditionally m

shepard: carl cameron on capitol hill. thanks.e americans are looking for work and not finding it. thousands more job cuts in september. the new and deployment rate ticked up to 9.8%, according to the government. employers slashed about 260,000 positions last month, putting the official number on the jobless roster above 15 million. in general, the number of job cuts each month has been dropping from january, when more than 740 dozen americans lost their paycheck. but remember, those figures mean more jobs are being lost and created. president obama spoke at the white house this afternoon. >> since earlier, we have made some progress on this front. but today's job report is a sobering reminder that project comes -- progress comes in fits and starts, and we're going to need to grind out this recovery step-by-step. shepard: now to figure out what those steps are. peter barnes joins us live from capitol hill tonight. what does the white house have as a time line? will we see a second stimulus package? is that a possibility? >> there

carl marx applauded.y voted yay on the same act to restore the solvency of the national flood insurance program but also to expand socialized insurance to other property damage to make available multiperil coverage from damage resulting from wind storms, floods and other purposeses. in the senate where the public option is less popular than the house, 92 senators voted to expand socialized property insurance. north carolina, mississippi, wisconsin, florida, illinois, missouri, indiana, iowa, louisiana and the top socialized property insurance welfare state in the nation, the people's republic of texas. people's republic? where 6682,000 property owners have their handout for socialized property insurance. more than 36,000 scooping up $1.5 billion in claims last year alone. it's not that some politicians don't care about the health of all americans as much as they care about the wealth of those meshes who can afford waterfront property. and perhaps a less callous explanation -- greed. can't with principle b

carl cameron is there. any time it will be done? >> it may be some time. they're waiting for the cbo's non-partisan cost analysis, and it could come tomorrow and set up the finance committee being able to vote on thursday on the bill that they were working on for the last eight months. it still is a long ways away, and a lot of democrats insist now they have at least 72 hours to take a look not only at the specific price tag of all of this, but also the legislative language. 72 hours before the final vote, and nobody knows where that is going to be. if they get these numbers tomorrow and meet with everyone's liking, perhaps, but here is the hook. whenever the cbo numbers seem to be slowed down, it is generally because prices are going up. we already have gotten word that perhaps some of the medical industry taxes will be up to $30 billion higher than expected, which causes problems. with democrats now saying they want more time to look, it slows everything down. suffice to say that we're looking now at late december if everything goes perfectly, and so far

i don't think this is what carl saggen had in mind about exploring billions of stars.ot once did i hear him say if you can't do that bill quons and blown of pieces of of the moon will do in a pinch. this isn't about going lunar. i just think this is looney. i love buzz aldrin. he is a hero of mine. i just don't think that buzz and i are on the same page. that's all i'm saying. i will see you one hour from now on fox bitness network and my guest will be suzy welch, and by the way, if you're not getting

here's carl. hey, carl. >>> morning to you, ross. the economy, real estate, investment ideas, politics and the shopping mall. we have it all on today's show. our guest host bill reuden chief of one of the largest real estate owners, steve ross, the chairman of ornedo real estate trust. governor paterson will join us, running for governor, which has presented new obstacles. with us onset at 8:00 a.m. eastern time. >>> and professor nuriel roubini find out if his outlook has changed. plus ideas from a five-star fund manager. ross, you guys have been hearing from roubini with the g-7 meeting. but whatever he says lately, people do tend to listen. we'll see if he's right about the longer term weakness. see you at the top of the hour. >> look forward to it. >>> meanwhile, coming up, we'll take a closer look on wall street. all eyes on the upcoming earnings season with alcoa kicking things off on wednesday. we'll look at that and what to expect in today's market in just a minute. >>> well, let's bring in richard suttmeier with value engine

carl carl c she's indicted, will be arraigned next month, and could not be reached for comment.others against drunk driving says it's bad enough that mothers are driving drunk, but what's worse is they're taking children with them. >> they're doing a form of child abuse if they drive equally as horrific is what she put seventh children through. >> repeatedly engaged in a guessing game, asking the children to raise their hands if they thought you'd make it hope without crashing. >> she said you're scared, raise your hand. she was cutting cars off and pulled over to the right like we were passing up to the thing and we hit the one tree. >> all i remember is she got the car going side to side to side and side and before that, she was looking at me. >> reporter: before the kids even got in the car, the father of her son tried to stop her. he pulled out her toddler, but no one else. one of the girls who remained in the car is her daughter. >> i'm not going to only blame it on my mom because there was a lot of people that could have stopped her. >> it's heartbreaking that children hav

michelle obama was an undergraduate at princeton when carl lewis was, you know, at the 1984 games. but much more relevant was the question and answer period. the 15-minute question and answer period after the formal presentation and a simple question to the chicago committee about what were willing legacy of these games be was really fought by whoever answered it. so much so, president obama asked to speak to the same question i think in a much, much more effective job of simply saying why this would be a good idea. >> interesting. have to see if the president pulled it out. we're looking at live pictures there from chicago. jim warren, thanks so much. >> pleasure. >>> back to you, dylan. >>> thank you, monica. >>> the unemployment rate jumping again. trend or talker desperate times call for desperate measures. creative ways, intelligent and capable people are coping with these tough economic times. >>> well, is it a trend in this country or a talk to pass the water cooler. see whether the stories everybody is talking about is a larger trend. weighing in is anne kornbult and ezra k

member, my good friend, buck mckeon, the gentleman from california, our partners in the senate, senator carl levin and senator john mccain, and all the conferees from the armed services and 13 other committees who have made this conference report a reality. mr. mckeon, brand new as member -- as ranking member of our committee hit the ground running and has done yeoman's work, and i particularly wish to single him out and express my appreciation for the work he has done to help bring this to the floor. mr. speaker, this bill has a base of $550 billion for the united states military. this has $130 billion for the wars in afghanistan and in iraq which total $680 billion. mr. speaker, we are at war. this is a deadly serious moment in this body. this bill is critical for national security and i'm pleased to say this bill gets it right. the conference report provides several major victories for our troops, their families, and the bill strikes the right balance between our focus on the immediate fights in afghanistan, iraq, and long-term needs of our military. the vast majority of this bill has bip

chief political correspondent carl camera looks at the almost finished product. >> at 2:20 a.m., amendments ended. >> i'm looking at people here who are ready to drop out of their chairs. we have worked so hard, behind us and all around. >> next week, senate finance committee members will vote. their bill is the only one in congress without a government-run insurance program to compete against private insurance companies t has a non-profit cooperative instead. the senate finance committee bill caps premiums, lower than other bills, at 8% of income. every bill slaps those who don't have coverage with a fine. senate finance is lowest, at up to $1,900 per family. republicans complain that such so-called excise taxes violate candidate obama's pledge not to raise taxes on the middle class. >> the president said that those who make less than $250,000 a year will pay not one dime of new taxes in any form, and that's simply not true in this bill. >> lawmakers will not have a chance to see the exact legislative language before they vote, nor will the non-partisan congressional budget office have tim

let me quickly ask you, carl, is this a humiliation for the president? >> absolutely. and he got exactly what he deserved by personalizing this. >> the worst day of the president. >> one thing that's most valuable about sports, you can play a great game and still not win. >> the president came home empty handed. let's talk about in the roundtable. let me bring in george will, matthew dowd, katrina vanden huevel and cokie roberts. george, i guess this is the question, you saw some overheated criticism there of the president. a real question, was it the right thing to do to put the white house onhe line? the white house says, hey, you never go wrong for a country. >> well, they were fighting about a city, a city divided about whether or not it would be a good thing to have the olympics there. there's no problem that will not melt before the sunshine of his charm. and this is evidence again that it's not so. the president d the first lady went to copenhagen and gave speeches about themselves. she, mrs. obama, used the personal singular time, 64 times. it was all about the

carl cameron reporting from capitol hill. >> during the last election, what organization became notorioustion is called acorn. >> i might even stipulate acorn or some of its employees have participated in voter fraud. >> that's something we should tolerate none of. >> when an acorn employee is caught, they accuse the acorn worker. >> to understand the reluctance of some on capitol hill to investigate acorn, it's helpful to watch a remarkable back and forth from last spring. it's between the powerful democratic chairman of the house judiciary committee, john conyers of michigan, and the influential chairman of one of its subcommittees, new york's jerrold nadler, and it came after scathing testimony given by a republican lawyer who says she sued acorn for voter registration fraud in pennsylvania. >> i would sincerely request that congress investigate these allegations as i've outlined against acorn. >> may i ask the chairman consider such a hearing so we can get to the bottom of this? i mean -- >> let me just say that i will certainly consider a hearing on acorn if i ever hear any credible

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, as if to add to terri's grief, police took a hard look at her own husband, jaycee's step father, carl. he was the last to see her being after all. as the hours became days, the weeks turned into months, his life became increasingly untenable here in the glare of public suspicion. eventually his marriage to jaycee's mother fell apart and separately they moved away. but in those first hours he was able to accomplish something important, a sketch that was both helpful and, well, unhelpful. a sketch of the female abductor. retired fbi agent mary ellen owe tool helped on child abduction. >> two things that were striking. number one, this is not a crime that you see a woman commit, generally. number two, it was then and it number t to have s then and it a couple involved in this kind of crime. >> reporter: and she says there were other telling circumstances. >> plus, it had occurred in broad daylight. plus, it occurred in front of other people who could provide us with information about the car, about jaycee, about the dynamidynami dynamics neighborhood were like. to do that seemed very hig

senate like carl levin, who think those numbers should be high, and they need to get in there soonerrather than later. >> lenny, we've heard from republicans criticism about the pace of this, robert gibbs responding to criticism from congressman eric ca inform tor about the pace of the strategy. i want to get your thoughts on the other side of this. >> i don't recall congressman kasm ntor saying that when david mckiernan's request said on the desk of the previous commander in chief, i don't remember him going to a nop on television saying that that commander in chief was endangering the lives of men and women in afghanistan. >> lenny, what do you think of the pace? is the president taking his time? is that appropriate? >> it's appropriate to the degree that all americans get a sense from this white house that there is an urgency there and i think there are some questions about delays on the part of this president, considering that mccrystal's recommendations have been well known for some time. so, look, here is where americans can agree. one, the situation in afghanistan is worsening

carl cameron reporting from capitol hill. >> during the last election, what organization became notoriousrganization is called acorn. >> i might even stipulate acorn or some of its employees have participated in voter fraud. >> that's something we should tolerate none of. >> when an acorn employee is caught, they accuse the acorn worker. >> to understand the reluctance of some on capitol hill to investigate acorn, it's helpful to watch a remarkable back and forth from last spring. it's between the powerful democratic chairman of the house judiciary committee, john conyers of michigan, and the influential chairman of one of its subcommittees, new york's jerrold nadler, and it came after scathing testimony given by a republican lawyer who says she sued acorn for voter registration fraud in pennsylvania. >> i would sincerely request that congress investigate these allegations as i've outlined against acorn. >> may i ask the chairman consider such a hearing so we can get to the bottom of this? i mean -- >> let me just say that i will certainly consider a hearing on acorn if i ever hear any cr

carl cameron reporting from capitol hill. >> during the last election, what organization became notoriousght even stipulate acorn or some of its employees have participated in voter fraud. >> that's something we should tolerate none of. >> when an acorn employee is caught, they accuse the acorn worker. >> to understand the reluctance of some on capitol hill to investigate acorn, it's helpful to watch a remarkable back and forth from last spring. it's between the powerful democratic chairman of the house judiciary committee, john conyers of michigan, and the influential chairman of one of its subcommittees, new york's jerrold nadler, and it came after scathing testimony given by a republican lawyer who says she sued acorn for voter registration fraud in pennsylvania. >> i would sincerely request that congress investigate these allegations as i've outlined against acorn. >> may i ask the chairman consider such a hearing so we can get to the bottom of this? i mean -- >> let me just say that i will certainly consider a hearing on acorn if i ever hear any credible allegations. >> well, wait a

carl cameron reporting from capitol hill. >> during the last election, what organization became notoriousthat organization is called acorn. >> i might even stipulate acorn or some of its employees have participated in voter fraud. >> that's something we should tolerate none of. >> when an acorn employee is caught, they accuse the acorn worker. >> to understand the reluctance of some on capitol hill to investigate acorn, it's helpful to watch a remarkable back and forth from last spring. it's between the powerful democratic chairman of the house judiciary committee, john conyers of michigan, and the influential chairman of one of its subcommittees, new york's jerrold nadler, and it came after scathing testimony given by a republican lawyer who says she sued acorn for voter registration fraud in pennsylvania. >> i would sincerely request that congress investigate these allegations as i've outlined against acorn. >> may i ask the chairman consider such a hearing so we can get to the bottom of this? i mean -- >> let me just say that i will certainly consider a hearing on acorn if i ever hear

carl cameron reporting from capitol hill. >> during the last election, what organization became notorioust organization is called acorn. >> i might even stipulate acorn or some of its employees have participated in voter fraud. >> that's something we should tolerate none of. >> when an acorn employee is caught, they accuse the acorn worker. >> to understand the reluctance of some on capitol hill to investigate acorn, it's helpful to watch a remarkable back and forth from last spring. it's between the powerful democratic chairman of the house judiciary committee, john conyers of michigan, and the influential chairman of one of its subcommittees, new york's jerrold nadler, and it came after scathing testimony given by a republican lawyer who says she sued acorn for voter registration fraud in pennsylvania. >> i would sincerely request that congress investigate these allegations as i've outlined against acorn. >> may i ask the chairman consider such a hearing so we can get to the bottom of this? i mean -- >> let me just say that i will certainly consider a hearing on acorn if i ever hear any

bill: joining us now from washington, fox news chief political correspondent carl cameron.nject levity into this thing because i'm so tired of this. i don't know who the bills are. i don't know who is paying them. i don't know what's going to happen next. so you tell me. what's going to happen with obama care. go. >> i will give you a shot, bill. just interrupt me when you get bored with it and i will see if i can't sort of clarify. basically yesterday the nonpartisan congressional budget office put a price tag on one of five bills, talking about the senate finance committee chaired by max baucus. they said it was $829 billion over the course of the next 10 years. and that it would reduce the deficit $81 billion over the decade. that bill does not have the public option. the government insurance program. it's got a nonprofit cooperative that would be there in place. they are going to vote on that, the senate finance committee this coming tuesday. they are way, way, way off schedule here. there is another bill in the senate that is from the health, education labor intentions

sorry, carl. it's all right. you'll get it. >> we had a pop here for huntington bank shares. they are up 7% today. joe. >> deutsche bank upgraded them from a hold to a buy. i'm not going to get too excited about a regional bank given the current valuations. i would avoid the name. >> drop for sks. >> the comps have been lousy. nothing looks good right now in this stock. >> and we've got a drop here steve ballmer. the microsoft ceo taking a pay cut this year as the company's sales decline for the first time. he will be taking home about $75,000 less than 2008. but ballmer won't be going hungry. he still has about 408 million shares in the software giant valued at more than $10 billion. >> is that howard dean? it looks just like him, didn't he? >> almost the same. they sound almost alike. a drop here for the hmos today. they were down. grasso? >> i think it's stock specific. i like unh. the rest of the sector i'll steer clear. >> "new york times" today down %. karen? >> i guess it was all excited yesterday on the gannett news that maybe there was hope for the "new york times."

>> paul has been waiting over two years for someone to stand trial for the murder of his brother, carlt someone the only publicly named suspect, is karl's wife, claudia. >> we accepted her, basically accepted her like a sister. and, for her to do something like that is just... unthinkable. >> in 2007 the marriage between the brazilian born woman and air force reserve pilot was unraveling, according to family and friend, among them ohio congressman, john bocheri. >> it was well-known he was having difficulty with his marriage. >> and claudia went gun shopping here, in o-up. >> came in on a thursday night and the men thought she was pretty and had so many questions. >> and claudia bought a 357 revolver, and went to the range. after 50, almost an hour's worth of target practice she asked an employee at the ran range what kind of am nig had the best stopping power and hollow point she was told and picked it up on her way home that night. five days later, karl's body was found inside the couple's home. and karl was shot three times, in -- an claudia was nowhere to be found. >> we placed her

let's go to our chief political correspondent on capitol, carl cameron.e knew it was going to be a few days before the cost analysis, but are they running into trouble? >> it will be just more than a few days. because the senate finance committee does not use the legislative language when it posts the bill -- instead using conceptual language -- the cbo does not do a comprehensive analysis. they do the preliminary score for cost reductions. under no more circumstances, they are doing best case informed guesses, so this becomes even more 6 c13 >> i would like to welcome you back on october 6. this is a common -- public comment period. we have a bit of -- we have about a three-minute limit. we have all left burke after that would be linda humphries. >> good afternoon. my name is paul and on behalf of the boys and girls of the palm beach district and want to thank all of you for the collaborative effort with the newly opened "centennial elementary school. it is the only elementary school that the school district will open this year in the 100th year annivers

carl cameron is here for us. they finish work on this bill out of this key committee. is everybody going to get a chance to read what is in it? why is the language is so important? >> is important, actually. seems elementary. everyone was up until 2:30 in the morning working on this. having worked so late, some did not come in this morning. the legislative of language will not be published, and that is a problem for members of congress, particularly republicans. the senate finance committee is the only committee in the senate that does not publish the legislative language of their bills. they put together something referred to as conceptual language, meaning it is subject to interpretation, the subject of distillation of what would normally be printed. it will not be available until a vote next week on what they stop amending at 2:20 this morning. jane: there is also discussion of a government-run public option. >> that is the health, education, labor, and pension committee. earlier this year, they passed the public option for the government insurance program. their bi

carl cameron is on the hill today to talk about it. >> there was a predicted vote today by the chairmanf the committee, max baucus of montana, who chaired the committee through eight months of very, very difficult compromise efforts to get the bill, well until thursday or friday morning. no vote today, and no analysis from the nonpartisan congressional budget office. they are continuing to try and find the sweet spot based on an specific and not fully detailed legislative language. as a consequence of the plain english that is used, the congressional budget office cannot come up with a detailed cost analysis, which makes it very difficult on the floor and in committee. it is difficult, and it is believed that the hold up is in part because the numbers are not showing, but this will be targeted at $800 million and may run over. jane: when does the process with the white house start? >> it has been underway for a couple of days, but the problem is that it leads to the assumption that there is a fix in, that harry reid will get involved with white house officials and nancy pelosi on the ou

and carl. carl my producer, told me age bit about what your idea is. tell everybody. >> caller: well, first, to say the children aren't really that bad and crime is down is absurd. >> okay you're not buying it? >> caller: no. >> okay. >> caller: and such as israel does with the minimum of a military program all 18-year-olds, 16 to be decided later, all children should have the military experience. they're going to get discipline. they're going to get taken out of their environment, such as kids that are in areas that can't, you know, "i will never get out of here i'll never be able to leave," they'll be able to leave that environment. they'll be able to -- it'll help with obesity, it'll help with their illiteracy. everyone needs to go to the military i think minimum two years. learn respect and discipline for their parents and other people. >> all right karl, i hear what you are saying ging and i also hear what you are saying about the numbers that our first caller was saying is hard to digest. i know overall in a lot of cities crime is down but what s

oh, adrian peterson, gosh, the vikings star then -- wasn't carl edwards just here?i saw him. >> who knew? we would have paid a lot more attention to him, wouldn't we have? the magazine calls it as we said a testament to what athletes can do and the inspiring sarah rhine nationalson the inspiring amputee. i love that picture. look at her, so beautiful. >> you can see much more in espn the magazine's body issue this friday. >> yeah. >> back to the gym. >> would have, could have, should have. more than just celebrating. bodies of all shapes and sizes and be proud of who we are. a first for espn the magazine. >> and it is out now. also this morning the soap opera star. left her four children orphaned. it is a remarkable story of how they found their way back together and what they have done with their lives. >>> plus, jackie robinson who broke the color barrier was also a hero at home to his little girl. she's here with a heartwarming story about the dad she knew. it's a wonderful children's book and it's beautiful and sharon robinson will share it with us. >> right to

>> kind of getting ahead of ourselves, carl but that seems a ways off. >> a brilliant point by marilyn, great point and great job. it's true. another very smart thing on david letterman's point, you know, using his show as a pulpit to talk to people and say, hey, i'm the victim here. i'm the one who was extorted, that's amazing, too. if i was a woman that's the one thing i would be very, very ticked off about, the fact they are calling david letterman a victim when really his wife is the true victim here. >> well put. we'll have to leave it there. kelly, carlos, thanks, guys, really appreciate it. coming up we'll revisit a story, a gunman fires more than four dozen bullets in a health club a. survivor, pregnant, says she runs a higher risk of miscarriage and is suing the gunman's estate. is there precedent for a case like this? your thoughts, 1-877-tell-hln. call in. >>> welcome back. what a horrifying ordeal a man walks into an aerobics class at la fitness in pittsburgh and starts shooting. we covered this extensively. the gunman killed himself and three women. a pregnant fitness inst

. >>> this week, german designer carl lagerfeld defended using anorexic women as models, and an insurance company denied coverage to a 4-month-old baby boy. they said he's too fat. here's the baby. i don't know what they're talking about. he's adorable and not fat. he's big boned. the baby weighed 8.25 pounds at birth. he's 4 months old and he's 17 pounds. she must have half and half in those boobs. he's healthy. the insurance says he can't have health insurance because he has a pre-existing condition. he's 4 months old. when did he develop a pre-existing condition? was he eating twinkies inute row. and the women who stagger down the runways. lagerfeld said fashion is not reality. it's dreams and illusions. he's got the illusion that he's not a wax figure at madam tussaudses. i'm dreaming i fit in my jeans without spanx. are we thinking this mother should nurse lagerfeld's models? never take advice from insurance add jus tors or weird designers. i'd kill for a canole? does anyone have -- >>> my next guest became a big screen sensation in movies like "clueless" and "batman & robin." alicia

carl writes in and says, one term as congressman, nine months as president that's all you need to doace prize? sign me up. irene says president barack obama has won the nobel peace prize for giving the world hope. what more can you wish for? great views, everyone. larry writing in, larry says maybe former president bush so destroyed the united states' image internationally that now the world is grateful for mr. obama's attempt to rejoin the world community. thank you again for all of your comments. keep them coming, folks. president obama wins the nobel peace prize. what do you think? think about it for a moment. do you think he is deserving? call us at 1-877-tell hln or e-mail us at cnn.com/hln and text us, text the word views and your comments. don't forget your name. send it to hlntv. standard text rates definitely apply. good stuff there. >>> seven years from now, the word "scrum" and "birdie" will become part of the olympic vocabulary the international olympic committee voting today to include rugby and golf in the 2016 and 2020 summer games. the current world number one golfer,

. >> after a while, you just say no, former bush advisor and current fox news contributor carl rose got? >> this is an administration that's getting very arrogant and slippery in its dealings with people. they're going to come hard at you and cut your legs off. >> talk about calling the pot the kettle. this is complete hypocrisy on karl rove's part. >> he's absolutely right, you don't silence the opposition. that's just not politically a good move. it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for obama to completely sensor an entire demographic or an entire media organization that speaks to a large demographic. >> but karl rove is responsible for possibly firing the united states attorneys who are not loyal to bush. so that's really silencing a whole group of people, isn't that very similar? >> there are some nuances to that story that i don't think we have time to really delineate, really, here? it doesn't matter who's saying it, i think karl rove is right, this is a politically silly move. it doesn't look presidential, it doesn't make the president look serious, it makes him look a little whi

. >>> this week, german designer carl lagerfeld defended using anorexic women as models, and an insurance company denied coverage to a 4-month-old baby boy. they said he's too fat. here's the baby. i don't know what they're talking about. he's adorable and not fat. he's big boned. the baby weighed 8.25 pounds at birth. he's 4 months old and he's 17 pounds. she must have half and half in those boobs. he's healthy. the insurance says he can't have health insurance because he has a pre-existing condition. he's 4 months old. when did he develop a pre-existing condition? was he eating twinkies inute row. and the women who stagger down the runways. lagerfeld said fashion is not reality. it's dreams and illusions. he's got the illusion that he's not a wax figure at madam tussau tussaudses. i'm dreaming i fit in my jeans without spanx. are we thinking this mother should nurse lagerfeld's models? never take advice from insurance add jus tors or weird designers. i'd kill for a canole? does anyone have -- >>> my next guest became a big screen sensation in movies like "clueless" and "batman & robin."

carl schmidt says although such destation has become a daily reality, the ramifications speak volumesne of the ways that we look back historically and look at a culture's evolution is how they dispose of their dead. we see people here that society was not taking care of before they died, and society is having difficulty taking care of them even after they're dead. >> what kind of peace is the body getting sitting in a morgue in cold storage? >> reporter: positive resolution to this story, thankfully, their aunt will not remain in cold storage. since we first met the vickers, they were able to scrape together the $695 they needed to cremate their aunt. that came from social services, social security and their aunt's church. but it's really the other bodies that remain. more than 60 in the morgue freezer that tell a much darker story about detroit right now. that's just one of the many stories we're doing on detroit. full coverage right there at cnnmoney.com/detroit. it's all part of assignment detroit. >> and an angle you wouldn't have ever thought of. thanks, poppy. >>> a man in a whe