i'm glad you put it in writing. >> right. >> you mentioned carl ashman, my uncle one of the biggest everliquippa fans felt that he was, best football coach ever. and answer to your question may be there is some divine intervention involved there. he is, his influence hasn't faded. it has infaded. >> no. he was, you know, also he had a, what the family called a paper heart. he had very bad heart trouble. his daughter died of heart trouble at i think at the age of 30, 32. you know, so, he was, outwardly an incredibly tough guy. frank morocco, his seconddfr successor, was playing a football game and got a punt smashed into his face and broke his nose and carl ashman walked up to him, went -- squeak. frank went back in the game. get back in there. i talked to other, don's brother spoke, he thought, actually ashman was a little too hard on guys that way. he felt, gene felt he didn't care -- as time as gone on, gene says i don't think he cared about his players as much as i would like him to. overall, ditka squares by him. also people notably enough, i think it was richard mann, now receivers

close by, 3 miles or so from the pit as it's now called and -- so in 1964 which was the year of carl ashmann aliquippa history, aliquippa played hopewell. they played for something called the steel bold trough-- trophy and he went on pitching, went onto pitch many teams in the major leagues and he was only known as -- i'm trying to get -- and so what happened was that hopewell late aliquippa beat hopewell that night. this is how he put it. before that, good and bad, one pure moment by which to measure, helped take down the toughest guy around. everybody was really surprised that we won, everybody. even the guys on our team were surprise that had we won because we thought they were tougher than that really. who didn't and, indeed, there has been no greater upset announced the following monday. it had been 25 years ashley declared since he had been so stunned by a loss. aluiquippa fans sat silent waiting for the next miracle, the times went on. their expressions would not exchange if the earth had opened up and some would have welcomed him. so that hopewell is a strange -- they have a strange

or so from the pit as it's now called and -- so in 1964 which was the year of carl ashman in aliquippa history, aliquippa played hopewell. they played for something called the steel bold trough-- trophy and he went on pitching, went onto pitch many teams in the major leagues and he was only known as -- i'm trying to get -- and so what happened was that hopewell late aliquippa beat hopewell that night. this is how he put it. before that, good and bad, one pure moment by which to measure, helped take down the toughest guy around. everybody was really surprised that we won, everybody. even the guys on our team were surprise that had we won because we thought they were tougher than that really. who didn't and, indeed, there has been no greater upset announced the following monday. it had been 25 years ashley declared since he had been so stunned by a loss. aluiquippa fans sat silent waiting for the next miracle, the times went on. their expressions would not exchange if the earth had opened up and some would have welcomed >> >> they have a strange relationship because there have then many