the legend carl bernstein says we are now witnessing the unraveling of another cover-up. how so? let's get after it. >>> so michael cohen, whether you believe him or not, he offered proof under oath this week that the president knew about the hush money payments. he wanted to keep alleged affairs quiet. he wanted to do so because of the election. but he's still trying to pin blame on his former attorney for the entire scheme. listen. >> i can tell you personally he said to me at least a dozen times that he made the decision on the payments, and he didn't tell you. >> yeah. >> he told me personally. >> he did, and he made the decision. and remember this. he's an attorney. whatever decision he makes, you're supposed to rely on an attorney to make a decision. >> here's the problem. let me one-up sean hannity. michael cohen told me many, many times that he had everything to do with it and the president had nothing to do with it. you know what that's called? a lie. you know what doesn't lie? proof. remember what we played for you on this show? a recording of the president and cohen ta

reporter and carl bernstein. also with us, senior political analyst and white house adviser david gergen. david, if the department of justice does not provide congress with the entire mueller report, should they retrace mueller's steps here just for transparency's sake if nothing else? at least call him to testify? >> well, i think they will call him to testify if they can't get the report itself. and if the report itself is not issued publicly, then i think they have every reason to try to construct a narrative coming out of the congress. after all, that's what the public has been waiting for for two years, for this investigation. i don't think the public is going to be very happy if what we have is basically a very short redacted piece of paper that tells us virtually nothing about what they really found. and so i think adam schiff is on -- i think he will have a lot of strong public support if he gets to the point where he feels he has to either subpoena or write up a narrative. >> carl, where's the line, thou

they whole heartedly agree with their friend, carl bernstein. both of his papers won pulitzer prizes for their russia reports. >> tucker: read that run-on sentence again, if you dare. you might want to keep those words as a keepsake momentum like that dewey defeats truman. your grandkids can read it and snicker. the times have no plan to return their prizes. they did they did a great job. the rest of us can keep laughing. there's an ominous lesson here, too. our leaders are not fit to lead. they have no idea what they're doing and they won't admit it. they're hysterical children, cruel and stupid and vain. they care only about themselves. they learn nothing from their mistakes. so their self-regard, they march on to the next disaster full of self-righteous confidence. the next battle is over obstruction of justice. doesn't seem to occur to them that justice is precisely what we got yesterday. 19 federal prosecutors investigated the democratic party's claim that donald trump stole the presidential election. investigators in the case had to limitl

they wholeheartedly agree withgr their friend, carl bernstein. both of those newspapers won pulitzer prizes for the russia coverage. in its citation, the pulitzer fcommittee commended the reporters for their "deeply sourced, relentlessly reported coverage in the public interest that dramatically furthered the nation's understanding of russian interference in the 2016 presidential election and its connections to the trump campaign." the transition team and the eventual administration. read that run-on sentence again. you might want to keep those words somewhere as a keepsake momento like the "dewey defeats truman" headline from so many years ago. a monument to human absurdity. your grandkids can read it and snicker. the times on the post don't get the joke. they have no plans to return their prizes. they think they did a great job. the rest of us can keep laughing but there's an ominous lesson. our leaders are not fit to lead. they have no idea what they're doing and they won't admit it. they are hysterical children, cruel and stupid and vain. the

first, carl bernstein, ed? thoughts. >> my thoughts are carl got a pulpulitzer once for never meetg deep throat. it is irresponsible and it needs to give an apology, dershowitz is right on this. lou: he is right. and kudos for having to say what is clear truth, that in his judgment. mueller copped out. you either prosecutor you don't, there is no such thing as exoneration. >> i lumped them in three different categories of crooks, we have the people in media doing their thing, you have the democrat politicians who have been lying to their supporters for two years, and joining up the excitement that is disappointment. but, the most terrifying part of this, is the actions of the previous administration. the idea that none of this stuff about the collusion is true. we now know that. but what is not been investigated is fact that we had a sitting administration, using our spying apparatus to spy on political open. lou: with knowledge of president obama. >> we don't know for certain. but i don't see how decisions lik

laura: now despite irresponsible coverage like that throughout this entire investigation cnn carl bernstein, still dining on watergate was defending the media's role in all of this. >> the media, the press has done one of the great reporting jobs in the history. let's look at where the disinformation mistakes and the lying has come from. it hasn't come from the press. it's come from the president of the united states. >> laura: joining me now laura logan, sara carter fox news contributor, great to have you on, you recently made headlines for mainstream media and overwhelming liberal bias. what is your take on this mueller obsession and the russian collusion obsession even after the two coyears of investigation, 500 witnesses called et cetera, et cetera. >> laura: laura i've been a journalist over three decades and i have to say, i feel ashamed. when i was listening to the clips that were playing, it made me feel ashamed. this is a terrible moment as journalist. i've been saying several years, accountability begins with us. people across this country asked me all the time about fake news and

we're just having a conversation but everybody, carl bernsteins of the world, the john brennans of thehat lied to us. those are the people that caused this problem. it disgusts me, i'll tell you. >> martha: brennan was the cia director and he suggested the interview i know these things because i know these things. i have been sidetracked an end then this morning he says it's possible i got some bad information. >> greg: exactly. >> martha: coming out, the attorney vocal trump critic michael avenatti was arrested today. as if there wasn't enough going on. that is next. ok look, if you're not the lead dog, the scenery never changes. that's why this is the view for every other full-size pickup. and this year, it's déjà vu all over again 'cuz only the ford f-150 with its high strength, military-grade aluminum alloy body gives you best-in-class torque, best-in-class payload... and you got it, baby... best-in-class towing. still leading the pack. this is the big dog! this is the ford f-150. it doesn't just raise the bar, pal. it is the bar. uh uh, i deliver the news around here.... sources s

. >> i recently sat down with three legends of the watergate era, carl bernstein, whose dogged reportingid gergen, and former white house counsel and star witness whose testimony ultimately brought down nixon's presidency. here is our conversation. john, i want to start with you. you worked with president nixon. in this series, we hear a lot of nixon in his own words, in candid moments, without a filter. does it paint an accurate picture of him as a person and as a politician? >> i think it's a very accurate picture. i like the fact that it was original footage. it doesn't look like it's been in any way enhanced and you feel like you're there. it's what we actually looked at, at the time. and given the four hours, you really get a you see the good points and the bad points. >> you and your partner broke the watergate story that led to the end of nixon's presidency. when did you realize this was connected to the white house? >> very early. there was a secret fund, a secret fund that was maintained by nixon's top campaign advisers that we found out about eight weeks after the break in had

when carl bernstein says, as he says to this day, republicans were the heroes of watergate, is that tooyou concur with that writ large? >> they were very late. at the very end of the day they jumped in front of the train. i think in a weird way it transcends those quick -- the standard partisan dimensions here. there's about 20% of the country that actually does make up their mind based on facts, and i think it's on those folks who are not already assigned to one team or the other. and they need to be the umpires. >> i'm amazed you didn't just call them better angels. thank you very much. you transcend your fair share as well. jon meacham, always such a pleasure to have him as part of our broadcast, especially on a consequential friday night. that is our broadcast indeed for this friday and for this week. thank you for being here with us. have a good weekend. good night from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. >>> a couple of hours ago, maybe even less than that, i was standing knee deep in a trout stream in tennessee. but now it's mueller time and so i'm in a studio in the grea

we still don't know as carl bernstein points out, a simple factual account of what happened in all of this. nor do we know what's behind the president's willingness to give vladimir putin the benefit of the doubt time after time on russia's election interference. did robert mueller have a theory or provide any facts that bear on the question? again, we don't know. and that should be pointed out. nor do we know what, if anything, the mueller investigation uncovered that potentially sheds light on any of these other investigations into the president and his dealings. what we do know, however, is that the report, if accurately summarized by the attorney general, dispels some of the harsher allegations against the president by democrats, by former intelligence officials and others over the years. we have a senator on the program who's said he's seen evidence himself of collusion. he said it before the barr summary came out. tonight, we'll ask him whether he still maintains that. does the mueller report contain any evidence that supports the senator's claim? even if it might not rise to th

." >>> jeffrey toobin, cnn chief analyst and carl bernstein, cnn political analyst. i do think the ball has been moved forward ever so slightly this morning based on the massive revelations over the weekend. jeffrey, we heard from jay sekulow, the president's lawyer an hour although. alisyn spoke to him. he's in no hurry. he'd fight the release from the president's answers to the questions the mueller team asked for. we've heard democratic and republican members of congress say they want to see the full mueller report. they voted 420 to see the full thing. there's a new pressure already set up this morning. >> absolutely, but let's not move ahead too quickly. the news of yesterday is enormous. we have almost -- you heard the president say over and over again, no collusion, no collusion and you know what? robert mueller said the same thing. no collusion. that's significant. now what are the political implications of that and how does the investigation proceed? it's going to proceed. and the report should be released. i think everybody agrees with that. even barr said

well as some of the best political and legal folks we know, legendary and investigative reporter carl bernstein, john dean, jeffrey toobin, gloria borger, and cnn crime and justice reporter shimon prokupecz. any clear sense that we did last night, the week before that, or several months before that about when this report may actually be done? >> all we know is we're certainly closer to getting this report than we were. >> probably yesterday. >> okay. >> look. >> way to go out on a limb, shimon. >> we really did think it was going to be today. this is the first time we've had this many cameras outside of mueller's office, right? i've been there. we have a team that's there every day. no one has really been going there. today there was more press than there has ever been outside that office in really the last two years. so that was an indication that everyone thought that this was going to be today there have been other signals, certainly for the last few weeks that there has been nothing going on. we haven't seen any activity at the grand jury. we haven't seen really any of the lawyers bringing

for example, president trump went after our colleagues carl bernstein, jim sciutto for this story.alled it fake news. last week in i had congressional testimony michael cohen confirmed it saying he had seen his son speak to him in the oval office. or how about the "new york times" story from friday. the trump's own chief of staff wrote a memo detailing his concerns that the president overrule the intelligence community to get his son-in-law a top secret security clearance. well, trump not only flatly denied it in an interview with maggie haberman, he called a similar report make neu news w back as the transition. man calling everyone a liar, seems to be lying. and go back to the longest shutdown in history. trump said that the white house had no strategy for the shutdown. well, the absence of strategy was widely reported by white house and congressional sources and the results, the shutdown where president trump got less money for border wall than had been initially offered by democrats, that seemed to confirm all that reporting. or given last week's underwhelming nuke summit we ca

. >> carl bernstein, david gergen, thanks very much. a quick note on something i said a moment ago, the buffalo bills are in the nfl, not the nhl. one of our writers is a steelers fan which might explain the typo and the fact i know nothing about sports. >>> breaking news. the latest on felicity huffman on what the federal government calls the largest college admissions cheating scam ever prosecuted. it is bizarre. we'll have the details on that. >>> new inflammatory audio from tucker carlson's past. the question is what will fox news do, if anything, about it? feel the clarity... of non-drowsy claritin... and relief from symptoms caused by over... 200 outdoor and indoor allergens. like those from pollen, pets and dust. because new memories start with dusting off old ones. feel the clarity and live claritin clear. with expedia, i saved when i added a hotel to our flight. so even when she grows up, she'll never outgrow the memory of our adventure. unlock savings when you add select hotels to your existing trip. only with expedia. select

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