i want to bring in legendary journalist carl bernstein.p us understand what we are witnessing right now, because more than 54,000 americans are dead and the president this week suggested a potentially deadly treatment after later suggesting he was being sarcastic and these briefings are no longer worth his time. >> the question for the press, all americans, the senator, and congressmen that needs to be raised is, are we at the mercy of a delusional, unstable president, at the moment that we have lost more lives than in any event since world war ii. and what are the prices that we are paying for a president that is more concerned with his re-election efforts, with attacks on the press rather than addressing through fact this horrible medical crisis that is afflicting this country and the world through sensible decision making instead of tirades. >> we have talked on this program about the president's relationship with science, with truth, but dr. deborah birx has defended the president's suggestion, regarding the disinfectants. she just cal

carl bernstein, thank you very much. have a great weekend. stay safe. and, look, i want carl on because he is a legend and he can diagnose it for us. but let's be fair. the media's playing a role in this, fight. fight. fight. fight. they like trump fighting with the governors. they like the provocation. we have to push these guys to find answers. we have to keep pushing the reality that people are dying. don't push protests. help those people who are dying. where is his answer on that? that's the media's job. so the vice president, he has a piece in this also. he says we have enough tests to start reopening country. prove it. several state labs, again, republican and democrat, say, no, we don't. where is their help? they haven't offered it to us. why can't he convince them? democrats and republicans. remember. testing is not a hypothetical. i, and thousands of people just like me, are proof of our dilemma. i'm going to tell you the latest turn in my case that should be good news. it is for me. but it's not good news for you. next. never touched once it c

political analyst carl bernstein with some take on trump's response to the looming crisis. carl, you say the president, trump, we saw yesterday, isn't the president trump of recent weeks. how do you mean? >> well, i think there is a narrative, i've been able to get parts of it from people around the president that he has resisted since january, taking decisive action except for keeping chinese flights and people out of using the border. definitive actions such as he has finally taken and in his resistance, he was in anger, fury, a kind of meltdown for weeks and weeks, lashing out at people he said in meetings were his enemies in the press, in the democrats, those who don't wish him well, on the nation and the kind of thing we heard some of on fox news but his resistance and denial, actually, of the danger it posed to this virus is what's so stunned many people around him and they worked this weekend to get him to capitulate to the kind of measures that needed to be needed. >> take a step back though but for all the people who said, he's got it, the tone has changed. we've se

he also helped identify mark as the deep throat for bob woodward and carl bernstein. if i was ready for myself and meditech that an earlier. at any rate he is a political activist and founding member of the group nirvana. . . . >> thank you. thank you everybody for tuning into the townhall. and i hope that everybody is happy and sane and healthy during this pandemic. and doing the best you can. and you should make it through. and so david daley, my colleagu colleague, he has a new book called "unrigged" so tonight's conversation is going to be about gerrymandering where political insiders and political elites with single member districts those lines were drawn to benefit themselves and their political parties. so we will talk about gerrymandering and other proposed solutions mainly proportional representation. so his new book is out i will turn it over to you. let's hear it. >> thank you. im really sorry not to be out there with everyone tonight. i hope you're all safe and sane. we've all banded together through doctors and nurses and grocery stores and all of the ess

carl bernstein spoke just last month of america being engage in what he called a cold civil war. the issues have changed. they are different now, abortion, capital punishment, statues, gun control, a pipeline in virginia. what they have in common is that no one is listening. violence is lurking on the perimet perimeter. the broader argument is the same as was in 1860, however, what is my identity, what will i allow to define me, where do my loyalties lie, to whom or to what do i owe allegiance? in this tense and seemingly critical hour can i afford to give reason a chance over irrational emotion? all the ingredients are different, the content of the arguments today and in 1860 is different. but conduct of the argument is increasingly the same. i dopamine to suggest we are going to have another civil war. but -- i don't mean to suggest we are going to have another civil war but this is right. edmond burke wrote that the om thing for the triumph of evil is for good men to do something. but two years after the civil war it was said that bad men need nothing to come pass need nothing