i did ask carl bernstein for interview. i was put in touch with and he said i would be delighted to talk you and proceeded to ghost me for two years after that. so i deleted that email address. and then bob woodward did agree to talk to me. and the reason is, you might remember alexander butterfield told who revealed the existence the tapes. so mr. butterfield gave me some wonderful multiple wonderful interviews about, pat, because when haldeman was never able to work successfully with her and, then dwight chapin, another aide, was not able to work with her as a liaison, the west and the east wing. so mr. butterfield took over and he adored and he's worked with mr. woodward on another book. and i told mr. butterfield about you know, he forgotten, i think, because has been so long ago about her characters nation as as a heavy drinker. he said, that is ridiculous. i call bob and have him call you and he did call me. but when i said, what are your names, what are your sources? he could not give me one source could not? would n