there was carl brenner, fantastic apple guy, expert on opera, he was an alpha romantic figure, flew a plane, looked like harrison ford, many lady friends, wine lover connoisseur. why did i think of him as this difficult person and why did he see me as this is his perception, which of course, i am perfectly willing to say that is me, put the mirror up. miss know it all, expert, his perception was that little sister always trying to get attention. this is pathetic, we'd get together and fight over

there was carl brenner, fantastic apple guy, expert on opera, he was an alpha romantic figure, flew a plane, looked like harrison ford, many lady friends, wine lover connoisseur. why did i think of him as this difficult person and why did he see me as this is his perception, which of course, i am perfectly willing to say that is me, put the mirror up. miss know it all, expert, his perception was that little sister always trying to get attention. this is pathetic, we'd get together and fight over everything. it was like we were back fighting in the backseat of the car. first time i went to the apple orchards, we had a huge fight about how to pick his fruit. i was bruising the apple. you are bruising my fruit. it was pathetic. you get stuck in that role playing because you are stamped with children with the roles. >> the character we see in this thing most of the time is pretty objectively difficult, not just somebody who is always irritated at his sister, but somebody mean, who has made his mother sad and angry and reaction to most things is sour and hostile. how much of that did you e

carl, that are addressing issues in their own way, in their own world. >> examples? >> austin, texas. invented a lightbulb that's 90% efficient, made in texas, lasts for 30 years. camden, new jersey, dr. jeffrey brenner 1% of the people there accounted for 30% of the health care costs. he helped them become healthier. also health care collapsed in the community because the people who are the most sick are being addressed. therefore people who do it with crime, education. san francisco figured out people -- you and i learn at different rates of speed. why should my pressure or your pressure on me affect what we are learning when we can work with youtube lectures and go to a classroom with less pressure. there is a lot of innovative thought in america outside washington. >> your point is washington will be the last to react. >> i believe that. >> meanwhile you are embarking on a 30 million jobs tour. you are taking your show to three college campuses this week -- kentucky, ohio state and university of chicago. >> the wildcats, buckeyes and the phoenix. >> why 30 million? >> the number is derived from the u-6 number. the underemployed, those getting one or two hours a week along with the unemployed. if