in 1986, carlson you dodge charger caught fire, carl collected $10,000. t killed the horses and took down the barn? paid out nearly $115,000. clear also learned that carlson had taken out policies on levi's two little girls. carl had no idea he was being investigated, but cindy still wanted to get away from him, so she moved out of the house, after she did, carl sent her a text saying that he had heard she had been snooping around. she says it scared her. >> it was a threatening text i can't remember exactly what he said, but it was an off to make me feel like i just couldn't do it anymore. >> she immediately call her son alex then 16, and told him that they had to leave town. >> she came and got me and i came out to the car and i saw that she had packed all of our suitcases, and our dogs were in the car. and she had told me that there was an investigation going on because they thought my dad had killed my brother. >> they started living in hotels, cindy dodged carles calls and so that alex. but after a few months of that, cindy decided to do something a l

and when one like carl tuctucke carlson goes and visits him, meanwhile between democracy, a gray zonee've got to put people on to disagree. but they never go ahead and disagree with them. they're eloquent with people like orban and warding people off. >> important advice. s.e., jonah, good to see you "new day" continues right now. >>> hello, i'm brianna keilar with john avlon. john berman is off today.

and when one like carl tuctucke carlson goes and visits him, meanwhile between democracy, a gray zone between autocracy and democracy. cpac likes to hide behind it and saying this is free speech, we've got to put people on to disagree. but they never go ahead and disagree with them. they're eloquent with people like orban and warding people off. >> important advice. s.e., jonah, good to see you "new day" continues right now. >>> hello, i'm brianna keilar with john avlon. john berman is off today. on this new day, justice has been delivered. president biden announcing the leader of al qaeda, the world's most wanted terrorist has been killed in a drone strike. and nancy pelosi is set to visit taiwan amid escalates threats from china. >> and dozens of people are dodd and hundreds more missing in rising water on the way. >>> plus, a january 6 rioter who was turned in by his son handed down the longest insurrection sentence today. his son joins "new day," ahead. ♪ >>> good morning to viewers here in the u.s. and around the world. it is tuesday, august 2nd. one of the master planners behind

carlson's name on the front. >> yours is better. >> if you're going to do it, do it right. here are my notes. i don't mind what you did, i mine the way you did it. >> carl, is that an accurate -- >> i have the answer to the question as opposed to him, but go ahead. >> i think it's love at first sight. >> i wondered about that. >> go to the next question. >> no, i think that literally happened. >> it did. >> -- over a period of time, but -- >> it sounds like it happened when you did the forward to the book. >> the collaboration goes on with the same dynamic, except 50 years of doing things together and a lot more love. >> how did that actually improve what you were doing? >> if you're working in a tense environment, how did that improve? >> you are working -- first of all, you know that somebody is checking everything you do. and is it right? and we tried hard enough? have you thought of something that i haven't thought of? you know, at the time, team reporting was not anything standard like it is today. and i think we discovered very fast that the idea of two of us working together, it really was to ended up to three. it gave a solidity and a confidence