hello and welcome to worlds apart carl gustav young a pioneering sways psychiatry's who is now seeing and now the rise to prominence more than 50 years after his death once remarked dad we don't solve our problems but rather outgrow them this may be true for individuals but does it also apply to societies and if saw why do our societies despite all the economic and technological growth seem more infantile than ever while to discuss that i'm now joined by dr james hollis a prominent union psychoanalyst and author of the upcoming book living between worlds finding personal resilience in changing times dr hollis it's a great privilege for me to talk to you thank you very much for your time my privilege to be with you now let me start.