we have a lot to think about from carl hart. now we are going to let you who had a chance to think a little bit ask some questions that you have of him. the microphone is here to my left, your right. can you make your way to the microphone, please? >> greetings. i apologize that i came in late. >> that is all right. >> i was out there doing a reading. i also apologize that i haven't read the book. i read about it. my question because i came in when you were saying it wasn't about the drug's. i you familiar with dr. gator massey? you know that he seeks adult addiction in very severe early trauma. i am going to read the book i told you last night. is your research running counter to his philosophy and his work? if you could share a little bit about that. his book in the realm of hungry goats which i recommend. >> you have to understand he has a very narrow perspective. that is not an insult. i appreciate what the brother is doing. trying to change the discussion which is good. but he has focused only on people who have a problem w

carl hart, right now. >> there is a saying that dr. king had. he said, there is always the right time to do the right thing. i just try to live my life every day by doing the right thing. we know that we are only about halfway to completely eliminate hunger and we have a lot of work to do. walmart committed $2 billion to fighting hunger in the u.s. cane work together, we stamp hunger out. >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. tavis: by any measure, the war on drugs has been a failure. and also how successfully to intervene. hart grew up in one of miami's toughest neighborhoods. many of the preconceived -- i was not sure what with the has to do drug war. or whether it had to do with your own life and the price that you have had to pay as a result of choices you have made. am i right about both, and neither, or either? >> you are right about both and i am glad that you mentioned above. particularly, when we look at poor people or black people, it is too high. people will come up subsequently. and in the book

carl hart, right now. >> there is a saying that dr. king had. he said, there is always the right time to do the right thing. i just try to live my life every day by doing the right thing. we know that we are only about halfway to completely eliminate hunger and we have a lot of work to do. walmart committed $2 billion to fighting hunger in the u.s. cane work together, we stamp hunger out. >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. tavis: by any measure, the war on drugs has been a failure. and also how successfully to intervene. hart grew up in one of miami's toughest neighborhoods. many of the preconceived -- i was not sure what with the has to do drug war. or whether it had to do with your own life and the price that you have had to pay as a result of choices you have made. am i right about

carl hart, thank you for being here, dr. hart. >> thankthank you for having me. >> michael: you write about how studies are often misleading and simplistic on of the effects of drugs on people. >> i don't know if the studies are simplistic the interpretations are. people oftentimes emphasize the negative things related to drugs and not the other effects. for example there is this belief the majority of people who use drugs like crack cocaine cocaine, heroin, meth, the majority of those people are addicted. that's the brief. that's an inaccurate belief. 80% or 90% of people who use those drugs do so without a problem. the last three guys who up occupied the white house, president obama has used cocaine, marijuana. the guy before him george bush used marijuana widely suspected of using cocaine. before him president clinton had used marijuana. all of those guys did so without problems. this is not to besmirch their reputation. this is to show much of what we believe about guys is wrong. much of the people are like those guys, go

carl hart about drugs in society. his book is called "high price." he appeared on our "after words" program, but he'll be taking calls after his presentation with us here at our stand-up site on the stage here in the langston hughes auditorium. but now we're pleased to be joined by dr. harriet washington who was one of the panelists on the science and health panel, and we've got the numbers up on the screen, a lot of callers already lined up. we're going to get to those calls after one question. dr. washington, there were a lot of politics involved in this discussion. why is that? >> guest: well, first of all, i have to point out that i'm not a doctor. >> host: i apologize. >> guest: no problem. because medicine has parallelled the politics of this country. it has grown and changed in the same way that our political system has changed. and we often find abuses in the medical sphere that directly parallel abuses in the political sphere. when we had enslavement as the law of the land, there was medical enslavement. when segregation was the law of our l

carl hart. i just want to remind you that he is not only in author but an associate professor of psychology and psychiatry at columbia university, a member of the national advisory council on drug abuse, a board member of the college on the problems of drug dependency, and has done 22 years of research in narrow psychopharmacology. it's been a real pleasure to learn about you. this is in large part a biography as well as a book about trucks society in race. congratulations. >> thank you. >> wednesday night book tv in prime-time features a look at personal reflections. book tv in prime time here on c-span2. wednesday british prime minister david cameron takes questions from members of the british house of commons. live coverage as 7:00 a.m. eastern here on c-span2. >> making the transition from journalism to bucks is exhilarating and completely overwhelming and frightening, but wonderful. >> what did you make that change? >> i made that choice -- i have long wanted to be working on a book because

carl hart is a tenured scientist at columbia in new york city. that is our show for tonight, thanks for watching and as always, keep the faith. >> for more information on today's show, visit tavis smiley at pbs.org. tavis: hi, i'm tavis smiley. join me next time for a conversation with about the societal implications of the george zimmerman trial and verdict. we'll see you then. >> there is a saying that dr. king had. he said, there is always the right time to do the right thing. i just try to live my life every day by doing the right thing. we know that we are only about halfway to completely eliminate hunger and we have a lot of work to do. walmart committed $2 billion to fighting hunger in the u.s. as we work together, we can stamp hunger out. >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. ♪ >>dean: hi, welcome back to hometime. well this is where last time we ripped up a bunch of concrete because of moisture problems. this time we're going to as they say "re-frost the cake". lay down some new stamped concrete. >

carl hart, right now. >> there is a saying that dr. king had.id, there is always the right time to do the right thing. i just try to live my life every day by doing the right thing. we know that we are only about halfway to completely eliminate hunger and we have a lot of work to do. walmart committed $2 billion to fighting hunger in the u.s. cane work together, we stamp hunger out. >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. tavis: by any measure, the war on drugs has been a failure. and also how successfully to intervene. hart grew up in one of miami's toughest neighborhoods. many of the preconceived -- i was not sure what with the has to do drug war. or whether it had to do with your own life and the price that you have had to pay as a result of choices you have made. am i right about both, and

carl hart on his book that examined the causes of addiction. we will see you then. >> there is a saying that dr. king had. he said, there is always the right time to do the right thing. i just try to live my life every day by doing the right thing. we know that we are only about halfway to completely eliminate hunger and we have work to do. walmart committed $2 billion to fighting hunger in the u.s. as we work together, we can stamp hunger out. >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> be more. pbs. >>> tonight on "quest" -- elephant seals dive deeper, swim farther and hold their breath longer than almost any mammal on earth. but how do they accomplish such remarkable feats? bay area scientists have begun to unlock the secrets of these aquatic athletes. >>> and after multiple unmanned missions to mars, we still don't know if life has ever existed there. nasa scientists are hoping a new high-tech rover will help them solve the mystery. >>> major funding for "quest" is provided by the national science

carl hart, right now. >> there is a saying that dr. king had. he said, there is always the right time to do the right thing. i just try to live my life every day by doing the right thing. we know that we are only about halfway to completely eliminate

our guest carl hart challenges everything you know about drugs and society. dr. hart is a member of the national advisory council on drug abuse and is also an associate professor of psychology and psychiatry at columbia university. he is a board member of the college on problems of drug dependency and has conducted 22 years of research in the pharmacology and the drug addiction. dr. hart, welcome to "after words." >> guest: thanks for having me. >> host: this is a fascinating book. let me say up front it is a fascinating story as well as the work or the result of your work in science. but the heart and soul i would say coming and i hope if i'm wrong you will tell me, but you are saying you estimate there are 20 plus million americans who do illegal drugs. >> guest: the national government conduct a survey every year and this has been known for some time there is 20 plus million americans who use drugs on a regular basis. >> host: then you also say that over the generations of retired people always used drugs >> guest: that is a fact. >> host: so birds fly and men

carl hart. i want to remind you he is not only in author 46 he's an associate professor in psychology and psychiatry at columbia university and a member of the national advisory council on drug abuse and a board member of the college on the problems of drug dependency and has done 22 years of research and d nero psycho pharmacology. carl hart come it has been a pleasure to learn about you. this is a biography as well as a book about drugs, society and race. congratulations on your book. >> that was "after words," book tv signature program and which authors of the latest nonfiction books are interviewed by journalists, public policy makers, legislators and others familiar with their material. "after words" airs every weekend on book tv at 10 p.m. on saturday, 12 p.m. and 9 p.m. on sunday at 12 a.m. on monday. you can also watch "after words" on line. go to booktv.org and click on "after words" in the book tv series and topics list on the upper right side of the page. >> now on book tv, richard be

carl hart on high price, a neuroscientist's journey of self-discovery. then at 9:15, temple gran din's the autistic brain which highlights her struggles with autism and the science behind the disorder. and finally at 10:20 eastern, marina von neumann whitman in "the martian's daughter." booktv in prime time begins at 8 p.m. eastern here on c-span2. >> over on c-span3 watch american history tv in prime time tonight as we continue to mark the 150th anniversary of the battle of gettysburg. by touring the battlefield monuments that commemorate the fighting on july 2, 1863. historians harold holzer, james mcpherson and john -- [inaudible] discuss the fighting on the second and third days of the battle. at 9:30 eastern we switch gears with a look at american culture and society in the 1920s including prohibition, al capone, the motion picture industry and the 1925 scopes trial. american history tv tonight in prime time starting at 8 eastern on c-span3. >>> over the past few months, we've featured a number of ceos and other corporate leaders on c-span as they t

carl hart you talk about an episode of your use in miami you saw of may and, of white man shot in retaliation than your sister is shot and it is all drug-related. you understand the negative consequences from people that think i can't handle drugs, no big deal i ever weekend user. is a that contradictory? that it doesn't damage anything? >> guest: my sister being shot that was not drug-related it was the beef >> host: i thought there was a drug element to that. >> guest: but the white guy that was there simply to buy marijuana but there was an incident that happened earlier in the day with some other white guys in the black guys in my neighborhood that was more race and he just happened to be buying marijuana in the neighborhood. so the problem here was race. >> host: that was racial tension in 1980. but then it leads to the shooting of your sister but drugs just seem to be part of in this emphasizes the point you make in the book of the larger social structure in tension, poverty tension, poverty, abandonmen t, all of the issues with drugs come into it today act as a catalyst to speed up neg

then we have doctor carl hart and the journey of self-discovery.5:00 p.m., the autistic brain, thinking across the spectrum, which highlights the author struggles with autism and the science behind the disorder. and at 10:20 p.m. eastern, grown-up with a famous mathematician father in the martians daughter. booktv begins at 8:00 p.m. eastern here on c-span2. over the past few months we have featured a number of ceos and corporate leaders on c-span as they testified at congressional hearings and spoke another public affairs events. tonight we will show you some of their remarks on topics ranging from the economy to immigration and tax policy, among them, american express ceo will be featured. >> i'd like to see a few key things. number one, i think the consumer has really demonstrated incredible resilience in a very challenging economic environment. the question is always how long will it last. but the consumers have held up relatively well. i think that you also see the spending and the credit performance in which the rates have come down and to th

carl heart so enjoyed the conversation. [applause] >> can everybody hear the? dr. hart, you lay a heavy one on us with the book "high price" i want to raise the issues of what people are curious about start with the title itself in what is the high price and who pays it? >> the key for coming out i need you to be doing something else on this hot day so thank you for joining us. "high price" the title seven of you may have heard of the publicity around the book and the first tenured african american scientist at columbia and with that is the case one must pay the price is in the book i say the prices too high it is one hell of a toll to take on someone and folks who are coming up subsequently am trying to show people to decrease the price for other people who look like me if they want to become a scientist. when we think about what we're doing in this country. i steadied drugs of abuse by the way on rethink about what we're doing with policy some of you know, unless you have that under a rock that our drug policy disproportionately affects black men and what i say in ter