and creativity and the age of sixteen he had an opportunity to travel to switzerland and listen to carl jung this influenced him and he decided to immigrate to america and study psychology nowadays me high and high is best known for his theory of flow and mental state of pure motivation which makes people truly happy he is author of over one hundred books and articles which have influenced many people in different fields among them are former u.s. president bill clinton and former british prime minister tony blair. hello and welcome to the show thank you very much for being with us from hollywood . chicks and me ali is a look at the exact state of the maybe you're going for you from the. central as we just heard. central in your research is that theory right could you explain explain what that is what is that optimal human experience you know. i should make clear that i was interested in studying happiness and the beginning i was interested. in creativity and i was studying people who have done to their work in the arts and sciences and so forth and one of the it was remarkable to me was how

carl jung talks a lot about shadow, how we have a violent side of us that we don't like to talk about>> so that moment the north vietnamese soldiers, young men like yourself stood up opposite you, about to throw a grenade at you. do you think there's a correlation? >> i think there is. >> what did you do? >> well, the thing was, i can remember -- we were in an assault. and suddenly, we could see what we call chicoms, these potato masher hand grenades, flying through the air. and i got knocked down and blinded in one eye. and my radio man was hurt. and so it was serious. and we threw grenades back. and they threw some grenades back. and finally, i go like, "we're going to run out of grenades." so the lieutenant finally gets his brains working. and i said, "okay, you throw some grenades." there's three guys that were with me. "and i'm going to sneak around the side. and when these two guys pop up, i'll get 'em. when they pop up to throw the grenades back at us." i got around in the position. and i could see that one of them was already dead. and they were young. same as our guys, just,