i'm going get. >> bill: good luck and we appreciate you coming on the show. >> when we come back, carl rove and the 60 minutes interview. rove is next. >>> marco rubio said most of them have been embodied in this bipartisan eight-member senate panel, republicans ought to give it a clear strong look as you saw from your interview with marco rubio, it emphasizes strong border security, guest worker program and a fair, but tough, resolution of the issue of the people here already. >> bill: but generally speaking very no beef with senator rubio's plan z i hope they get them together but they aren't as a dressed with carey catherine ham and juan williams you're going to have a lot of new americans here, you're going to have 12 million here, they're going bring in another 12-15. we're talking 20, 25 million invested in this country. half of the illegal aliens now as i said sh receiving means entitlements. how are they going to deal with that? >> we're not bringing in 12 then another 12. as marco explained to you and panel has endorsed today that concept is that if you're here illegally, you can s

in a year that was not kind, they showed themselves to be a weaker political force than carl rove and chamber of commerce. the nra set a new bar. we should change the name of this graph to not anymore. not if you're paying attention to the nra in this last election. and when president obama announced his plan for reforming gun laws, this is the reaction. obama guns plan meets fast resistance and why obama's gun plan may be doomed. and nra chief on obama's real agenda. oh, yeah, let's go ask the trolls. this is how we see the debate about gun laws. this is how the nra has taught us to see debate with democrats and law enforcement and victims of violence and most of the american people on one side and themselves, the nra, as an equal and perhaps greater force on the other. that's how they taught us to see it and the beltway is happy to write that down. but i do not think that's how the debate is actually working in real life. here's another example. look at this. this is the home page of the hill newspaper today in washington, d.c. and they, like everybody else, is calling for gun refor

carl rove has some thoughts. >> did you feel about bad about it? >> no. even scarier. >> did you feel in any way that you were cheating? >> no. >> lance armstrong pretty much admitting he is a sociopath. is he really sorry for his doping and lying? gutfeld and mcguirk on that. >> bill: caution, you are to enter the no spin zone. the from south florida. the factor begins right now. >> hi, i'm bill o'reilly reporting tonight from south florida. thanks for watching us. are we the people responsible for the chaos that is involving enveloping america? folks are responsible for the government they get. folks could have thrown hitler out they did not. russian ares fought hard for stalin. the chinese surrendered to move. the cubans allowed fidel castro to take away their liberty. the folks are responsible. now americans are faced with a citizen challenge not at the levels of totalitarianism but a very serious economic situation. yesterday the government accountability office, the nonpartisan investigative arm of congress released its annual audit of the u.s. gove

this is carl rove level of denial here. so republicans, take a seat. i know where you can find one and watch who's moving america forward while you sit down. just like he did today. >>> joining me now is joan walsh, editor at large at "salon.com," msnbc analyst. and dana milbank, editor for "washington post." >>> dana, let me go to you first. weren't president obama's nominations today a perfect example of how elections have consequences? >> well, sitting where i'm sitting, not in the clint eastwood chair, i would say yes, it certainly does. it's a case of continuing a very tough policy of enforcement at the sec. so the president is sending a signal that at least in this area of regulation enforcement, he's not going to be backing down at all. surely, that's exactly what wall street and corporate america expected when he won that election. >> and that was the way he campaigned. in many ways, we're looking at, joan, him continuing the path that he campaign ds oed on, gots on and won. look at the poll on rights for gay people, 60%. on aid to the poor, 59

we'll discuss it with carl rove, juan williams and mary catherine ham. [shouting] >> give me those. >> bill: a new move to shame americans who are overweight. they say the shaming is health-driven. but is it really? >> cannon ball. >> caution, you where to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. >> bill: hi, i'm bill o'reilly, thanks for watching us tonight. barack obama and hillary clinton friends forever. that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. disappointing interview on 60 minutes last night. i didn't learn very much. in fact, i didn't learn anything. the theme seemed to be the world is a dangerous and complicated place. >> we also live in a dangerous world. and, you know, the people i'm proud to serve and work with in our diplomatic and development personnel ranks, they know it's a dangerous and risky world. >> it is a dangerous world and that's part of the reason why we have to continue to get better. >> we live not only in a dangerous but an incredibly complicated world right now with many different forces at work. >

>>> carl rove is making predictions for 2013. is this amazing?ast year, he predicted the gop would win the senate. he said harry reid or nancy pelosi would lose their leadership jobs. he said president obama would lose. wrong, wrong and very wrong. check out the big predictions this year. governor christie will win re-election handedly and lil chi clinton will be among the 2016 presidential hopefuls. wow, way to go out on a limb there, carl. you must have nearly cracked your crystal ball with those predictions. but, folks, you don't need to see into the future to know republicans will blame any and everything in this new year on president obama. that's ahead. stay with us. designed for men's health concerns as we age. it has 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day men's 50+. the blissful pause just before that rich sweetness touches your lips. the delightful discovery, the mid-sweetening realization that you have the house all to yourself. well, almost. the sweet reward, making a delicious choice that's also a smart choice. splenda no-ca

the great moment when carl rove produced that scream, and fox tried very hard to address this in as clearand open and uninflicted way as they could. i understand that roger, the head of fox news, said to the staff before the election if it looks like obama is winning, don't act like someone ran over your dog. [laughter] some did. mostly, they didn't. >> uh-huh. well, that brings me to the next question which is we live in an age now where it's possible to quite literally to be medically sealed off from any upon that does not agree with your own. fox viewers, as you said, take the kool-aid from roger ail, and in the same token, viewers live in a new deal of idealism. i'm wondering, many people have pointed out, is it really that different than how the press behaved 150 years ago when everything was partisan in terms of reporting? i'm just wondering. we live in an age of 24/7 cable networks. is it now impossible for another to listen to another's point of view? >> it's entirely possible. you are right about that history. you know, i've spent a big chunk of my book recounting the history of

carl, thanks. jon: for more on the immigration reform plan let's bring if karl rove, former chief visor and deputy chief of staff to president george w. bush and also a fox news contributor. this thing has eight senators on board, four republicans, four democrats. does that mean it is a shoo-in to pass, karl? >> no but it is a huge step forward. because the leadership in the senate, republican and democrat realized this could only be done in a bipartisan way. they got working group together to work over the many thorny details of. this is good first step but a long way to passage of actual legislation. this is very complex issue. each one of these principles they alluded to has to be made concrete in the form of legislation. that gets to be a real tough task. jon: and the president, is the president likely to go along? >> well, i don't know and that's what's interesting is. i think this effort by the four democrats and four republicans was borne out of the fact that the president has not done anything on this issue in the last four years particularly interesting was that he failed to act on this i