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and this gentleman was partisan republican, very loyal to carl rove and did not like what i was reporting. i was trying to tell what was happening in iraq after the war in arock. i was trying to pull-on people who had a different opinion than the official reality. >> i don't want to let you before asking you about your new documentary. it's called riekers in american jail. it's about the new york city jail. we hear directly about the men and women who have been incarcerated. why did you decide to make this film the. >> because mass incarceration has become a scandal, a failure, and stain on american democracy. mass incarceration has become the sharp edge of racism in this country. it falls most heavily on people of cull, people who are poor, and upon young men in particular. african-americans in this country are six times as likely to be arrested as whites. his pannenics in this country are twice as likely to be arrested than whites. it's also become an assault on the principles of fair play and humanity. we are on the way to criminal justice reform before the last election. and now presi

you know, we're going to have a debate between carl rove, a gop strategist and john then grouper onehem on specific issues, if you're older if you got expanded medicaid, if the house bill went into effect, became the law of the land, what would it mean for you and your family >> we're hearing a lot from the senate they're going to start from scratch. rand paul, lindsay graham said this will be a new process, still concerned about this not being scored by the congressional budget office yet. is that where the real battle is right now and should we necessarily assume what we saw in the house is going to be what comes out of the senate, if anything? >> it certainly is not going to be the house bill. the battle now because the house passed it. goes to the senate, you're exactly right, got hardliners like ted cruz or rand paul who think this didn't go far enough to repeal obamacare. you got rob hundreds of thousands of people got healthcare under that. they think the health bill went too far, they're talking about rewriting, starting from scratch to pass a bill. it could take months. that

bush and fox news contributor carl rove. you don't want to miss it. john says a lot to talk about and choose top stories. president trump says tax refund is moving along close ahead of schedule. there you can see donald trump tweeted over the weekend. massive tax cuts and reform. big benefits to all. using all-caps you better pay attention to that. "the wall street journal" reported this morning the republican plans to reshape the nation's tax code are facing significant hurdles from the status quo in washington. the gop's dreams have collided with interest group lobbying in the tax system reality. the journal says much of this has to do with grappling over how to offset the tax code. how are you going to pay for them? >> exactly. the big ideas in the paul ryan flynn introduced last year. the border adjustment taxes a trillion dollars of revenue that created the threat of very cold reception in the senate. corporate interest deductions getting rid of that. the state and local tax deduction might be able to get rid of that. but when you look at so many

we're going to go to karl rove right now with more on this because, carl, in many ways, he's kind of losing the narrative here. the democrats are getting the upper hand as we watched of course the testimony of brennon just yesterday, and you continue to hear this idea that somehow donald trump and his campaign colluded with the russians. what is your advice right now? what would you tell him? how does he turn it around? >> well, there needs to be a voice, preferably not in the white house. preferably not the president that says once again, we have people out there making these political claims tarnishing the reputation of our country and let's let the investigation go forward and find out what actually happened. and until then, everybody else ought to stop making these weird and wild claims. i mean, you were right. the suggestion from these house democrats that somehow or another years and years and years ago that the russians picked out trump as a -- as somebody they wanted to influence. and they then arranged to somehow deutsche banc into making a preferable loan to him. i mean, th

carl rove who is not a huge fan of the president came out and said, listen, this guy got elected andeone is stopping him from being president. >> he is a republican. he was elected with an r behind his name. who thinks that he is going to get the same treatment that either bill clinton or barack obama got? let's wake up and live in the real world. this is something that every republican president has to deal with. and that is that the press is against them. in this instance they are really against them. he has he offended them deeply. he has picked an argument with them deliberately. he insults them regularly. they are people and they react to it and they react the way people normally react if you push them they are going to push back. they are pushing back with every bit of muscle they have got and looking at everything they can attack him with. there is a dual standard. one standard if you are democrat and one if you are republican. brian: speed trap at the end of the road going 56 in a 55. you don't say i was going over 10 miles over the limit. no leeway don't speed. you still wer

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let's go back to karl rove, who is standing by. carl, you had interaction with james, when you were in the bush and administration. take us back to that debate that was pretty heated involving attorney general john ashlock and how it sort of affected the way you viewed the current -- no former fbi director. >> lets at the background. there was a critical national security information collection program that needed to be periodically revised and revisited, renewed and attorney general had to sign the renewal period and attorney general ashcroft was ill and in the hospital unbeknownst to the white house. he was so ill that the had been passed to comey as acting attorney general. cosmo the hospital and says we need to reauthorize the program, send andy and alberto gonzales over to you. he says come on over. when they show up, there is comey who says ashcroft is so ill that he's not going to be able to sign this renewal and if you force him to re-sign the renewal, it will be bigger than watergate. it'll be bigger than the saturday night mas

david: karl rove, former deputy chief of staff under bush 43, fox news contributor. carlsee you. what do you make of dershwitz's comments? >> i think right now we have a lot of hysteria on the left. i just simply say, little whiteboard action here. david: okay. >> we had a president orchestrated the cover-up of the burglary of the democratic national committee. so the suggestion that president trump shared intelligence information in a meeting with the russians regarding isis, that is worse than that? how about the president who kept the fact that he had a stroke, incapacitated from the public over a year, woodrow wilson? what president trump did is worse than that? how about the president who had ex parte illegal communication with the chief justice of the supreme court regarding the dred scott decision, encouraging the court to come down in favor of declaring that black people were property? james buchanan. i could go on and on, is dershowitz really, really serious about this? david: you have to admit it is hyperbole when you see all other examples. not to mention more

rove, a former advisor to president george w. bush, anne marie hart, a former obama state spokesperson. carl -- what do you make of all this. these two bombshell reports and add on news that james comey will be testifying in this open session sometime after memorial day? >> first of all, while disagreement with john roberts who said "the washington post" story did not echo what the two british newspapers did and suggest it's jared kushner. i disagree with him. the only white house official, current white house official, who is named in "the washington post" article is jared kushner. they didn't say he was the subject of person of interest, but they used his name. let's be clear about this, though. person of interest in investigation like this means it's somebody that the fbi wants to talk to. there is a big difference and a long distance between that and being the subject of an investigation. and an even bigger distance to be the target of the investigation. i think "the washington post" story is a little bit overblown. of course they are going to talk to kushner. he talked with officials, the russian bank connected to the