for me going forward. >> so what are we going to learn about the universe from your "cosmos" that carl sagan couldn't have known about? well, let me put it this way -- if sagan were around to see your series, what would he learn about the universe that was unknowable 30-some-odd years ago? >> yeah, so that's a good question. so you need to think of "cosmos" not as a documentary about science. by the way, since then, there have been many documentaries about science. and it's quite a fertile way of delivering the viewer to the frontier, or bringing the frontier to the viewer. so that's not the issue here. because we all remember "cosmos" and so many of these other documentaries maybe lived their moment, but then they fade. why did "cosmos" not fade? it's not because it brought you the latest science. although it also did that. it's because it displayed for you why science matters. why science is an enterprise that should be cherished as an activity of the free human mind. because it transforms who we are, how we live, and it gives us an understanding of our place in the universe. and it's thes

. >> i have known serious religious people, not fundamentalists, who were scared when carl sagan openeds series with the words-- >> the cosmos is all that is or ever was or ever will be. >> i mean, that scared them, because they interpret that to mean, then if this is it, there's nothing else. no god and no life after. >> for religious people, many people say, "well, god is within you," or god, the, there are ways that people have shaped this, rather than, god is an old, grey-bearded man in the clouds. so if god is within you, what, i'm sure carl would say, in you in your mind. in your mind, and we can measure the neurosynaptic firings when you have a religious experience. we can tell you where that's happening, when it's happening, what you're feeling like at the time. so your mind of course is still within the cosmos. >> but do you have any sympathy for people who seem to feel, only feel safe in the vastness of the universe you describe in your show if they can infer a personal god who makes it more hospitable to them, cares for them? >> in this, what we tell ourselves is a free count