some people have written-- i'm thinking of carl swawbson in "the new york "magazine. the art establishment doesn't just ignore the work of the unknown artist but that of the world famous, especially koons and others, who have become so big and so rich it no longer seems important to have opinions of them." can you appreciate that, that you really-- you stand above the art establishment? >> well, it's-- i don't -- >> you're that big. >> i don't know about that. i always just wanted to participate, charlie. you know, the idea, like the avant-garde. i wanted to get in there and have a dialogue with dahli, andlicaten stein and picasso and just be part of this dialogue. that's what is really exciting and rewarding. i don't think things are that pig -- >> you don't think you're that big? >> i think i have a program as an artist. >> rose: you just cited the fact you sold the highest price. i sooipted the fact you have a retrospective in an entire museum. that by any artist's imagination is huge. >> you know, yes. i mean, it's a tremendous platform, but at the same time, i wa