and carl van horn, founding director of the heldrick center for workforce development at rutgers university. today, the center published its latest survey on how americans who lost jobs in the recession have been impacted. so, diane swonk, i'll start with you. we have the rate going down for good, and some bad reasons. start with the good news. where was the hiring coming from? >> well, what we did see is we did see a lot of hiring as you already mentioned in the retail and hospitality sectors. unfortunately, that meant the composition of hiring we saw pushed down average hourly wages because we didn't see hiring in the high-wage manufacturers, very much of it, and the construction sectors. also we continue to lose jocks in the public sector. it does look like we're starting to get new business formation from other indicators we're seeing and that household survey showing the unemployment rate. to do of that's good news. but you said there was good news and bad news. a lot of people gave up entirely and the percent and number of people unemployed more than six months remain unchanged. we ha

carl van horn, he said to me, look, what we found is unemployment benefits do not stop the financialdon't even stave off the crisis for the people who receive the benefits. it's just not working. jenna: what about the effects on pay, compensation? >> that was the other thing. people who took unemployment benefits actually had a larger drop. you were making a buck before you lost the job, your new job once you found it, you're making roughly 50 cents. people who didn't take unemployment, they were making 80 cents, the percentage drop was smaller for those who never took unemployment, but again, it's because they were making less to begin with. everyone, though, the majority of people who found jobs after unemployment found jobs that paid less, they took pay cuts, and that's a problem. jenna: and we didn't see became growth in our latest jobless reports, something we keep an eye on. adam, thank you so much. interesting debate. in the meantime, we're going to turn to a completely other topic, this one being mitt romney. why some republicans remain torn about giving him their support. jo