this is carla hayden. you can find out all about her in the program. i was greatly taken when she referred to the book to me in a way i'd never heard it referred to before. she said of the container. i've been fretting about the last 30 years about the book aside and know it. i am used to hard copy of books and anyway karla has redeemed my faith and hear somebody else. he is from publishing and now doing good work. where is -- oh he is here. [laughter] we know what you do. when you think about it, apart from telling you about my grandfather, i just came from their there him which is my university not to make a speech in the cathedral but i am always reminded whenever i go back to durham, which is such an important institution in the rise of christianity and also as a book. i just want to read you one little thing here. going back to the eighth century, about 790, and many of you know the golden gospel, he testifies as follows. in the name of our lord jesus christ, i am my wife obtained these books from the heathen army -- though -- those are the viking