i'm peter labelle. dramatic, we're discussing ukraine in the okay, now we're joined by carla nixon in washington. he's a political and welcome to the program. in the 1st part of the program, maryland, we talked about the intentional white washing of fascist and neal passion, elements in ukraine, focusing on the personality of step and ben data were whose birthday? the 100 and 414th was celebrated officially by the ukrainians on the 1st of the, of the year. well, you know, one of the things that, you know, the, one of the reasons why this whitewash can continue is because the west does not want to come to terms with the illegal, the old takeover of power in february of 2014. that is, the origins of the erin was right in the beginning of the program saying, you know, these are a minority of people. yes. but they are very powerful positions and they have very, very powerful backers in the west. ok, so i mean without a honest discussion about what happened with the illegal takeover of power in february 2014 and who were never going to get anywhere because the, this was the, they were the