joining us tonight we welcome back carla robbins, deputy editorial page editor of the "new york times" and gideon rose editor. gideon, start with you. let's start with afghanistan. we're on the way now to perhaps the deadliest month for coalition forces. is it just the simple fact that we boosted the number of troops thereby we should expect more casualties as a result? >> well, it's not just the number of troops it's also the rules of engagement and the strategy that they're using. you can have a lot of troops there and if they're not doing anything, if they're hunkered down in bases or bombing from 30,000 feet, you're not going to have any casualties. at least of ours. so it's partly a function of the new strategy as well as the new number of troops. >> you have to get the troops out there? >> you have to get the troops out there. and frankly it's not just our casualties that are important it's the local casualties and one of the reasons we are engaging in a more direct way with the war and fighting it in a more hands-on way is precisely so we can reduce local civilian afghan casual

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