carly fiorina waiting on line two. >> well, yes. this is not something i alone do. we have a wonderful organization of people, a great technology platform, a lot of credibility, great logistics and warehousing capabilities. so the truth is most of our corporate programs come together because groups of employees at good 360 and the company design them together. >> was there a lot of bitterness leaving hp in such a scandalous way? at least in the press? was there bitterness? were you vilified unfairly do you think? >> well, it wasn't bitterness on my part. look, the board at hp, led by two board members who subsequently were fired was completely dysfunctional. the board sadly remanes dysfunctional. all these many years. >> later. and i think it's a lessonthat boards are actually incredibly important organizations in business. boards can destroy value. the hp board hads destroyed value over time. and they're not the only board has destroyed value. >> do others get a fair shake because of who they are? >> well look, it's always different if you're different. and women i

is a big driver in the economy, and it's happening at a more and more rapid rate. >> all right, carly fiorina and zanny minton beddoes, thank you very much. carly says there is an education crisis and i'll introduce you to someone later who says there is no crisis. you'll want to hear about that. >>> also, 2013 wasn't just the year of economic recovery, but of jeff bezos, big coin, government frustration. we're counting down the top ten business moments of the year. >>> number ten, jeff bezos. the amazon chief exec is taking on print media. bezos paid $250 million for the "washington post," he's investing in cutting-edge technology, too, pitching a plan to deliver your amazon purchases, oh, yes, by drone. >> number nine, marissa mayer. one fill year on the job, so now we can see what kind of a leader she is at yahoo!. her goal to make yahoo! cool again. her strategy, a shopping spree. $1.1 billion for the blogging website tumblr and she picked updatie couric and "the new york times" david pope. >> at number eight, blackberry not dead yet, according to the company, at least. smartphone grandda

carly fiorina waiting online two. >> yes, but you know what? this is not something i alone do. have a wonderful organization of people, we have a great technology platform, a lot of credibility, late logistics and warehousing capability. so the truth is, most of our corporate programs come together because groups of employees at good 360 and the company designed is them together. >> was there a lot of bitterness leaving p in such a scandalous way at least in the press? was there bitterness? are you vil willified unfairly? >> there wasn't bitterness on my part. the board at hp led by two board membersjf who subsequently were fired was completely dysfunctional. the board sadly remains dysfunctional all these many years later. i think it's a lesson that boards actually are incredibly important organizations in businesses. boards can destroy value. the hp board has destroyed value jáitáq that's destroyed the value. >> marissa mayer, are sandberg, do they get a fair shake because of who they are or an unfair shake if they're women. >> it's always different if you're different. women

meg whitmore was was you know and what happened was in the case of meg war as i recall was and carly fiorina was the other one the former the arena that b.p. . you know what if you know h.p. executive. what happened was that because they were spending so much money the money became part of the story and thus it neutralized the effectiveness of their advertising and promotion it's kind of gotten out there that wayne la pierre makes two million dollars a year that the n.r.a. is spending millions and millions of dollars in the weapons industry makes billions a year do you think that might be a strategy or is that even catching on that mean that people are figuring out that this industry is just using using money to to take apart these gauzy tom ard like to think so but look we're look at the face in the face of what's happening i mean when you look at the numbers of what's happened since the last time the do nothing republican this beltway do nothing republican types voted to try to stand in the way of this there really was not a caliber of outrage that you would think again it comes down to th

carly fiorina is the former ceo of hewlett-packard and today chairs good 360, a charitable organization john mccain during his 2008 presidential run. danny minton-betos is with "the

carly fiorina and morrison meyer -- marissa mayer is that mary barra is a car gal.as a comment that there are no car guys running the detroit 3 right now. they all came up through finance. even sergio marchionne started out at beloit. and ford, alan mulally is an engineer but from boeing. he said there are no car guys but there is going to be a car gal. he was basically saying she is it. >> half the cars in the united states archer than by women, so they do have some insight. -- half the cars inc. of the united states are driven by women. you were there during the bailout. this happened right after the government finally sold its shares in general motors. >> what a great way for gm to celebrate that it is free at last from government ownership. it is a bold move regardless of her qualifications. what a great shattering of the glass ceiling in this industry. i think it is good for gm. >> it is a big global company. as much as it is an american company, it has a lot of cells overseas. this is the biggest u.s. car manufacturer by the big international car manufacturer