the name carly fiorina. she is the former ceo of hewlett-packard. there is a new report in the "san francisco chronicle" dubbing her a quote dead beat presidential candidate saying she owes nearly $500,000 to creditors for her campaign against barbara boxer. with accusations like this, could she even be considered a contender? thank you very much for joining us. >> carly fiorina, she's run for office only once before as a republican challenger to barbara boxer of california in 2010. she lost. she reportedly owes a half million dollars for that campaign. what are her chances? >> if she runs for president, good news for those she owes money to because she'll likely have to pay them back. if she's going to run on the platform of fiscal responsibility, she's got to pay back people she owes money to from the last campaign. that being said when she ran for senate that was one of the most expensive campaigns in history. she spent $22 million. so so, she owes a fraction of that back. on top of that, she's not the first and nor will she be the last former ca

carl cameron mentioned one woman among the republicans and that's carli fiorina. >> she is not well known doesn't have a support. she is trying to set herself up as the woman candidate and put herself in a position to be vice-president or have a senior position on the cabinet. it's pretty notable. there's a lot of diversity in terms of ethnicity on the republican side and the g.o.p. field right now, but the fact there are so many women in the party that are up and coming that none of them are looking at presidential run. i think part of it is they're just not quite at that level. they're still area in their careers. part of it has the g.o.p. big wigs who want to see more diversity and want to appeal to women. probably going to be looking at putting a woman on the ticket no matter the nominee. >> it's interesting. republicans are building their bench and have a lot of diversity coming out of the mid-term elections. so we'll watch to see what they do with regard to women in 2016. maybe a veep. cameron good, to see you, happy holidays to you, merry christmas. >> you, too. >> word of gnaw int

carly fiorina, and old friend. by way of introduction -- actually, arthur said the greatest part of her backdrop is that she started as a secretary and rose to become chief executive officer of hp hewlett-packard, the most remarkable and american thing imaginable. we are fortunate to have her here pitching in for the principles that we believe in. she is also the chairman of opportunity international and good 360, chairs the american conservative union and chairman of unlocking potential, which is a group to engage women in the political process at the grassroots level. my bride saw her speak in new york the other day and was ready to sign up. james pethokoukis is the dewitt wallace fellow at the american enterprise institute,, distinguished blogger and columnist and contributor to cnbc. arthur laffer is the head of laughter associates. i have known him for coming on 40 years. father supply-side economics, and i believe one of the most important economic forces in the 20th century. [applauding] finally, as you know

i want to raise a point to carly fiorina of the issue that i've read about a lot is the issue of marriageversus family breakup. i do worry that we are creating a permanent underclass. i do worry that the bottom quintile has lost its social mobility. on these points i am certainly reading with the left liberals have to say because they are looking at the same data that we are looking at. so some great work is that brad wilcox from aei? this guy is doing some great work and has worked for heritage that i read in the daily signal every day which i love. married families make a whole lot, not a little bit, a whole lot more income and wealth than unmarried. and number two got the issue of family breakup seems to be the key to poverty, to inequality and to the closed door the upward path of america. maybe i should throw education in there too but i'm looking at family breakups. this is a big thing. part of it is economics. part of this culture. it's got to be addressed. anyone running for president has got to address this. >> let me just segued that by saying on this debate about tax reform or

. >> and in other presidential campaign, business woman carly fiorina is close to throwing her hat in the ring. the former ceo of hulet pack carhewlett-packard has begun hiring staff for presidential campaign, an announcement from her will come in january. from looking forward to looking back, one of the 2012 republican presidential candidates minnesota's michelle bachman is leaving congress. the lawmaker just gave an exit interview. they said that tea party is main stream because it's for lower taxes, balancing the budget and following the rule of law. >> any normal human being wants those three principles. >> ers that. michele bachmann is now the deaf declared arbitor of normal. she also called for congressional witch-hunt. >> i wish the american media would take a great look at the views of the people in congress and find out are they pro america? >> or are they anti-america? members of congress, and remember when she compared being gay to slavery? >> if you're involved in the gay and lesbian lifestyle it's bondage. it is personal bondage. >> and how about her 2012 presidential cam

ted cruz has a book coming out in may, businesswoman carly fiorina has a book coming out in may as welloming out in june and by that time, we should have a pretty good idea of who's running. liberals love to hear that elizabeth warren is using the present tense when she says she's not returning. martin o'malley says he may have to push back his decision line and today, the independent socialist from vermont bernie sand ders says he'll make up his mind by decision day. >>> we thank you for inviting us in as well. hope you have a great new year. the five is next. >>> i'm kimberly along with juan, and tom. we hope you all had a very merry christmas. and we're going to tell you how we spent ours, but that's a little later in the hour. but first, it was of course a very difficult holiday for family, friends and colleagues of two fallen nypd officers, rafael ramos and winjian lu. funeral arrangements have not yet been finalized for officer

i love carly fiorina, but she can't run. same for ben carson.is christie or scott walker. that's it, republicans. >> it's going to be a long campaign season. that's why i'm so glad you are here. ann coulter. thanks a lot for joining us. >> good to see you. >>> if you didn't get a good sleep last night, you might be able to blame your genes. we have that story next. >>> then, are you afraid to punish your children because of how they might retaliate against you online? that is actually happening. our apparently panel is here to tell you about it. stay tuned. patented sonic technology with up to 27% more brush movements. get healthier gums in two weeks. innovation and you philips sonicare save when you give philips sonicare this holiday season. >>> let's get up and moving. thanks for spending your saturday with you. >>> sony hit with another hack attack. this time over 100 gigabytes were put on share sites, some containing financial details on movies from 2013. menacing e-mails were also sent to employees threatening their families. >>> and did it