joining me, carmen lomaline, alejandro, and john suarez. something that falls into the law of unintended consequences? did policy makers in the obama administration think that the new openings would have an effect of refugee flows to the united states? >> i'm sure it did. they had to have thought about it. cuba and the united states have been having migration talks for quite some time now. i'm sure that policy must have come into the discussion. one other point roy, the cuban government does not consider the cubans that leave, refugees. they bristle with that word. they say they left of their own free will. is there going to be a change of policy? i think so, i think so, because of how tough the cubans have been in this entire process, of opening the embassies. >> what would the people say their reasons were for doing it? >> well, it's obvious that the situation, the economic situation in cuba continues to be very bad.without any kind of window of opportunity for the future, especially for young people. so it is a -- it is a situation of no