the first video games that were out did anybody remember carmen sandiego clack we profiled the e thatreated that game and that is one of the first that had a narrative and that's why girls like that because there was a story to it. the vision was to make the connection between building and a narrative. it's okay to try to appeal to us in different ways. but i feel it is hard to overcome these societal expectations of what we are supposed to be. i hope that this emphasis in recent years i hope it is now a part of the vernacular and i hope it goes a long way to dispelling those. >> talking about how math and other sciences that are taught at school there is less of a gender disparity in those fields where computing and coding are not required courses in k-12. so there is an initiative that is being worked on and rolled out in chicago public schools in san francisco is working on it and new york may have it to get computer science and coding into k-12 and that will make a difference on the issues. >> i have one other point to add to that which is interesting. we had the opportunity to in