of carmine's? >> yes. glenn: are you seeing that businesses are not bringing people out to be entertained? >> only on the high end. you will see the high-end corporate parties that might have been $100 a head drop down to $60. glenn: as long as you're not a restaurant in las vegas or orlando, you're fine. healthcare for the bowlmo. lanes, about a million dollars extra to provide healthcare, is that right? >> well, we're not just one property. it's six venues in four states glenn: still, a million dollars. >> that is a whole lot of money. the problem is that's our money that goes for naught, from my perspective and it crushes us. glenn: what do you mean? >> well, you take that money, as far as i can see, you pour it in the drain because you're going to put it into a government-led program where who knows how that is going to go. it is all cash pulled out of our company that we can't then invest n12 years, we've gone from 1r 2 employees -- we were at a high of 450 and now we are at 375. you can't have that s