carne ross, i've truly enjoyed our conversation. >> me, too. thank you very much for having me. >>> you will have noticed that our two guests are hopeful men. paul volcker, as formidable an establishment figure as there is, thinks common sense will yet prevail in congress. here's to him! but frankly, ranchers praying for rain to end the drought in texas probably have better odds. as for carne ross: he says you can't count on the system to do the right thing, and he imagines a different way of politics and commerce altogether, more accountable to democracy and diversity than to power brokers and players at the top. that's a long reach in a country whose political system is biased against reform. but as we've been reporting for the past two weeks, there are some answers blowing in the wind. just last week, "the wall street journal" reported on how a movement to challenge big banks at the local level has gained momentum around the country. the los angeles city council is would gather foreclosure and other data on banks that do business with the ci

next week we'll hear from carne ross, author of "the leaderless revolution: how ordinary people will take power and change politics in the 21st century." >> well, i think above all, we have to accept that government is no longer fixing things for us. we have to instead take on the burden ourselves. that is a fundamental cultural change. and i think it requires a real examination of our own role in our political circumstances. >> also next week, former federal reserve chairman paul volcker, whose efforts to stop the big banks from taking us down, again, led to a rule named after him. that's it for this week. i'm bill moyers, and i'll see you next time.