created and the amount of attention that the education community is paying to that with carnegie melon university and the university of pittsburgh as well. what are the industries that are really most compelling in the city? >> i think what i found to be most compelling is just the spirit of innovation that you see throughout all of the startups that we profiled. one more that wasn't in this package makes the robotic arms being used by the u.s. army and military to basically disable bombs. so it's just amazing. innovation works, that is $65 million into all the startups, they're focusing on robot ikz as well. that is one area and technology. we see it everywhere. all around the country. it's cool to see it. >> it was on that list also because of the cost of doing business in pittsburgh s that more cost effect sniff. >> yes, it's one of the most affordable places to live in america. if can you have access to resources, venture capital funneleding is flowing. there why not give it a try? >> great. great story to tell. i'm glad someone who is not originally from pittsburgh is also telling the story.

universities have a critical role in that. there's $1.2 billion in research between carnegie melon in pittsburgh. we can't keep that inside the institution. it needs to benefit -- the other revolution is we're globally connected. we have global influence. we have global connections and we really need to take advantage of that for a reason and also to be able to show the knowledge of the globe. >> from your perspective. >> well, like rebecca said about her region, it was a very deliberate decision in north carolina in the 1950s, very deliberate public policy decision to develop a research park, and it was described at the time as very audacious because not only were we 49th 49th out of the 50 states but we were -- we didn't have any comparison, stanford research park was only a couple years old when we opened. but there was a deliberate and conscious sort of agreement that was structured, where the government would fund infrastructure and education, the private sector would lead the foundation. we have always operated as a private, not for profit. with a public mission to serve education, create m